Out scouting the pumptrail at beatty, some poor chap decided he was going to pull up and take a ride on the closed trails... David had something else in mind. Commentary was added afterwards when we had a written account of the exchange between david and the driver.

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Its Teh Patrick wrote on 12/07/13 at 5:12pm:



You cant view the video for some reason

Its Teh Patrick wrote on 12/07/13 at 5:39pm:


You still do, your video is "private"

This one of the same guys with carbon rigs mentioned in the "what's rideable today" thread?  Vid is still private

Ridefour15 wrote on 12/07/13 at 6:55pm:


Same guys. Who rides a carbon Hardtail with a thud buster?? unless Patrick added something creative/ funny to the video there was not much to hear. I just told him the trip was closed And They should not be riding it. He said they were just meeting up and heading to Fisher. (Total BS I'm sure I think they were just waiting for me to leave)

Yup, I always put on my camelbak when I'm waiting to meet other people so we can drive to another trail

Gravitythief76 wrote on 12/07/13 at 7:28pm:

Great.  So he leaves one muddy trail to go ride another muddy trail.   Glad I put out the pungy sticks last night...

SCOTT_T wrote on 12/07/13 at 10:18pm:

Thats too funny!

jcam wrote on 12/07/13 at 11:00pm:

THIS. Should be policy.

SCOTT_T wrote on 12/07/13 at 11:34pm:


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Yee flipping haw. Git on outta here boy. You from Stanly county son? Better not see the likes of you round here again. Man. They got served.

Gravitythief76 wrote on 12/08/13 at 1:31am:


The work you do is great and underappreciated, but you are flirting with a fine line.  You dont own the trails nor do you have any real authority.  I mean theoretically anyone that owns a home that has a higher tax value than yours, and pays their taxes owns more of the trail than you do.

Man, a little bit of rain and everyone loses their damn minds....

If the trail status is "closed", then it's closed. For everyone.
No one is special, no matter what shops and logos they have on their kits.
And instead of squabbling about trail authority, maybe some people should show up for some trail workdays and find out what goes in to making/keeping trails ready to ride.

Let's quell these electronic dick measuring contests....

Besides building and maintaining trails(Thank You!) some of the trail coordinators and workers like to: 

Post childish and inflammatory you tube video depicting aggressive trail stewards,
see the first post in this thread, (Thank You! Patrick), 

Booby trap the trails
"Glad I put out the pungy sticks last night..."(Thank You! CyclePath)

and threaten murder
"Lots of area on Farmbrook side for "burial plots" and the poop plant would help cover up your stench.
Don't let me catch you." (Thank You! JR)

What kind of comments were you guys expecting to see?

Its Teh Patrick wrote on 12/08/13 at 12:52pm:

Yea thats what happens when it rains!!

I am confused.  Is the trail open or closed?

Well I thought it was funny. 

And I'm very excited to hear the new stuff is moving forward.

Man.. The most valuable lesson I have learned out here in the northwest is to shut up and ride. Seriously.. It sure is nice to ride with everyone that rides regardless of wheel size or coolness. This lends itself to more people on the bikes and on the trails having fun.

I am really not looking foward to riding amongst a bunch of bitchboys. Why is it up for debate that riding trails when they are muddy is bad for the trails in charlotte? They are red clay.. You really want that goo on your 9000 dollar Niner ? 

I yell at people all the time for driving like dickheads but it's not my road and technically not even my car because the bank owns more of it than I do at this point. Does that forfeit my right to let my preferences be known? 

Seriously, the tc has the right to let the rules be known. Enforcement not so much.. But yelling is encouraged in my book. Teaching one human at a time to not be a careless, entitled jackass. I can guarantee the people trying to ride when the trails are muddy have never picked up a shovel.

Any trail that encourages people to ride Fisher in bad weather instead of FJB is aces in my book.   

I am sure you were out riding because you sure don't know how to use a shovel . By the way if any of you keyboard jockeys would like to learn how to use hand tools your TC can learn ya. Mark just got me 5 new sets that will put calluses on your hands instead of getting them on your fingertips from your keyboards. Get out and pitch in instead of sitting on your butts bitching and moaning. As Jack says many hands make light work! People will ride wet trails because they have NO idea what it takes to keep them in good riding condition and don't give a s##t! You all know this is a fact. If those people took time off the bike to help they might understand and respect the work that goes into upkeep. Everyone can give up a day of riding to help once in awhile. If any of you would like to get on our list for MD,PRP or BYT pm me and I will put you on our list. Thanks from your friendly neighborhood TC. 

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Volunteerism = an elevated sense of self importance.

26er_guy wrote on 12/09/13 at 2:21pm:

Look who's calling the kettle black. 

The Cycle Path wrote on 12/09/13 at 6:36pm:


Exactly! Responsibility for things which they are not. 

The context of my comment is specific to this thread and not to volunteers in general.

This thread would be so much better with a little Rage Against the Machine playing in the background.  Bulls on Parade comes to mind.

JR wrote on 12/09/13 at 11:08pm:

Dafuq?! You eat some of those mushrooms from Fisher yesterday?

JR wrote on 12/09/13 at 11:08pm:


Out of all the words that could describe that post, ironic isn't one I'd pick.

I'd like to see that vid clip dubbed with Elmer Fudds voice telling those wascally widers not to wide the twails when wet.

26er_guy wrote on 12/09/13 at 2:21pm:


Thank you for giving me such a well learned lesson. I will subscribe to your comedy blog now.

Back to the original point of this thread...

There is actually a great article on Pinkbike today about riding/racing in Mud:
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The very last paragraph of the article is what all the banter here boils down to:

"PB:Thanks for the tips, but isn't riding in the mud bad for the trails?

True, riding in the mud can certainly cause some damage, but there are places where you'd 
get just a few dozen rides in each year if you only rode in dry weather. Of course, there 
are also locations where riding in the mud will leave a rut behind you that could take a year 
to disappear. Your best bet is to assess the conditions and make a few inquiries with the 
locals about whether it is acceptable to ride in the rain. It might not be the best idea to poach 
your local desert singletrack on one of the few wet days that the area might have, and 
doing so could earn you some bad karma that will come back to haunt you. Ever wondered 
why you're the only one in the group to keep getting flat tires? Trust us, it's been proven 
that a*sholes go through more tubes than nice guys."

PASA got lucky with the geology of Poston (unicorn bones & eagle sh!t) that it can be ridden when damp (except maybe lake loop. That turns into a sloppy mess).

Maybe we as a club need to find an area for an "All-Weather" trail...?
I realize land managers probably don't want slop holes for trails on their land, but if the building intent was all weather, then special techniques/requirements could be utilized?

I'm all for having a trail to ride when it's sloppy outside (besides Poston).  An extra couple pounds of mud clinging to your frame will just make you stronger and make you clean out/repack bearings.

Could this type of trail be built locally?

26er_guy wrote on 12/10/13 at 12:47pm:


Noted. It's been a while since I've been there last.

I thought Poston was "open" for the most part after rain, except like earlier this last spring with the monsoon.

You guys may want to update the description Vinnie put here then:
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"Restrictions
Poston is ALWAYS open! The trail drains very well and does not close for rain."

I just now realized that some of you (mostly 26er guy, and the like) probably think that the voice in the video is either David's voice, or what David actually said. It's not, at all. I feel stupid for not making that clear to some of the lesser evolved.

and more rain this weekend......damn

Delete my Profile B4 I curse wrote on 12/10/13 at 2:42pm:


Translated.

Oh Patrick, youre such a mean and terrible person shame on you for taking any initiative to create cool stuff and for a trail boss to do his job by deterring people from riding the trails when they are soaked. You are such a dick for making a stupid commentary video as the person walked away. You should be banned from ever doing anything with the THTB again after showing this blatant lack of respect for your fellow man. How ever will this site or the trails at FJB ever recover you mean mean person! 

Not good enough! Off with his head!

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Rumor has it this thread has resulted in Mark B. coming out of retirement.   

Robert C. wrote on 12/10/13 at 8:31pm:

Haven't heard that name in a coon's age!

BTW...I'm pregnant...

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