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02/16/14 at 11:56pm
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This is road related.

Anyone else think that the proliferation of these street signals that have vehicles yield to turn left are incredibly dangerous for road cyclists.  Not having a dedicated turn signal makes it really tough for riders to turn left. 

These are becoming more common but is making road cycling more dangerous. Does anyone feel the same? Do you think they even realize it?  Would anyone be willing to write a letter to the city with me?
  
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Re: blinking yellow turn signals
Reply #1 - 02/17/14 at 12:10am
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I think the blinky yellow light thing is just ridiculous. It turns a yes or no signal into a maybe. I understand it, but I think a lot of people get confused by it. A constant yellow light was a warning that meant to stop, this siganl is getting ready to turn red. THe system wasn't broke , why do we need to fix it?
  
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Reply #2 - 02/17/14 at 2:44am
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I seem to remember reading a news article that stated a blinking yellow turning arrow is supposed to improve traffic throughput.   

I'm not a fan regardless
  
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Reply #3 - 02/17/14 at 2:51am
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Interesting, I always thought it was a good idea.  Especially if you have ever encountered the same intersections while driving a car at different times of day and notice the different options programmed into the light.  For example between 7-9am and 5-7pm there is no blinky yellow left arrow, you only get a dedicated turn signal or you dont.  Similarly there are traffic times when a dedicated left turn arrow just isn't needed, you know like the other 20 hours of the day when traffic is significantly less.  Thereofre at times you get the blinky yellow arrow along with green for the through traffic.  I am all for sharing the road, but remember cars make up 99.9xx% of traffic.


Enoch wrote on 02/17/14 at 12:10am:
I think the blinky yellow light thing is just ridiculous. It turns a yes or no signal into a maybe. I understand it, but I think a lot of people get confused by it. A constant yellow light was a warning that meant to stop, this siganl is getting ready to turn red. THe system wasn't broke , why do we need to fix it?



A yellow light has always meant the same thing, proceed with caution.  It's also not that hard to figure out.  Personally I pay more attention to oncoming traffic than the color of the light, your results may vary.  If anyone is having trouble with the decision making process regarding when to turn left or not maybe you should only enter nascar races where that decision is made for you.  Roll Eyes Or if on your bike, please get off your bike proceed to the light pole push the button and wait for the little emoticon to tell you when it is safe to walk your bike across. Sometimes the little sign switches from a person walking to a count down of numbers, to avoid future conversation when it gets below 10 RUN, RUN FAST.

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Reply #4 - 02/17/14 at 4:00am
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I think that a blinking yellow light is funny....Just sayin...Go Green,,,all the way....
  
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Reply #5 - 02/17/14 at 11:10am
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RobP wrote on 02/17/14 at 2:51am:
Interesting, I always thought it was a good idea.  Especially if you have ever encountered the same intersections while driving a car at different times of day and notice the different options programmed into the light.  For example between 7-9am and 5-7pm there is no blinky yellow left arrow, you only get a dedicated turn signal or you dont.  Similarly there are traffic times when a dedicated left turn arrow just isn't needed, you know like the other 20 hours of the day when traffic is significantly less.  Thereofre at times you get the blinky yellow arrow along with green for the through traffic.  I am all for sharing the road, but remember cars make up 99.9xx% of traffic.

I'm not saying that it isn't better in many ways for drivers.  But when I'm on a bike trying to turn left and there is enough traffic coming in the opposite direction that I can't turn left safely I have these thoughts.  "If I just that the green light I used to have I could get through this safely."  I'm not trying to discourage those that don't road ride to reply, but I am looking for some folks that agree, that may be willing to try to do something about it.  It seems counter to the "share the road" to make it more dangerous for cyclists.
  
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Re: blinking yellow turn signals
Reply #6 - 02/17/14 at 11:25am
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Men. Road riding is dangerous/deadly. Fun maybe. Great workout. Ticking time bomb. Too many oversized rigs piloted by texting,"late for whatever", careless drivers. You roadies must really appreciate it when you can get off road and can finally reeelaaaax! Shocked
  
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Reply #7 - 02/17/14 at 11:54am
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I had this thought yesterday turning from Quail Hollow road on to Gleneagles.  I was on the bike, and had to sit through 3 light cycles to turn left.  I pulled out into the middle of the road on the last one so the car behind me could go.  I just need to be sure that i have the room to get across, and on that road people drive way over the speed limit, so the time you have is not as great as the didstance you may see.

On the other hand, the blinking light does seem to improve my drive home from work by a couple of minutes and a lot less anger on south blvd....


  
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Reply #8 - 02/17/14 at 2:08pm
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sager wrote on 02/17/14 at 11:10am:

I'm not saying that it isn't better in many ways for drivers.  But when I'm on a bike trying to turn left and there is enough traffic coming in the opposite direction that I can't turn left safely I have these thoughts.  "If I just that the green light I used to have I could get through this safely."  I'm not trying to discourage those that don't road ride to reply, but I am looking for some folks that agree, that may be willing to try to do something about it.  It seems counter to the "share the road" to make it more dangerous for cyclists.


I think you would be doing yourself and the road bike riding public (of which I did 3 whole times in 2013) a disservice.  If you are recreating on a road where you can't turn left safely you have choosen the wrong road. If you are doing it out of necessity and are having trouble turning left, get off your bike go to the corner push the button and act as a pedestrian.

kawsakimx6 wrote on 02/17/14 at 11:54am:
I had this thought yesterday turning from Quail Hollow road on to Gleneagles.  I was on the bike, and had to sit through 3 light cycles to turn left.



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kawsakimx6 wrote on 02/17/14 at 11:54am:
On the other hand, the blinking light does seem to improve my drive home from work by a couple of minutes and a lot less anger on south blvd....




Exactly  

I am not suggesting bikes don't belong on the road, but "share the road" goes both ways.  Seems as if the OP is trying to making a point that will only hurt the greater cause and play into the sterotypical argument the other 99.99X% of road users say about cyclists.
  
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Re: blinking yellow turn signals
Reply #9 - 02/17/14 at 3:14pm
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I guess I don't see the issue with it. Those traffic lights use red, yellow and green for the left turn arrow. Seems more an issue with programming and the sensing strip in the road not picking up bicycles. Before they just had a green arrow, then it would turn off and it was understood that it was left turn yield on green.
  
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Reply #10 - 02/17/14 at 3:38pm
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The Cycle Path wrote on 02/17/14 at 3:14pm:
I guess I don't see the issue with it. Those traffic lights use red, yellow and green for the left turn arrow. Seems more an issue with programming and the sensing strip in the road not picking up bicycles. Before they just had a green arrow, then it would turn off and it was understood that it was left turn yield on green.

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Programming is the key to this, the sensing strip and changing the light delay times can help prevent a lot of accidents and improve traffic flow IF done correctly.
You still however need to ride defensively as if they are out to get you !
  
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Reply #11 - 02/17/14 at 6:09pm
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I like the blinking yellow turn signals.  The increased flow of traffic is worth it in my opinion to have to sometimes wait on a bicycle.  However, that being said, why not just go on red once all the cross traffic has gone and you can make it.  I know it's dangerous but if you can see far enough down the road in both directions and its still red for you and you can make it just go.  I know there's a law on the books for motorcycles that if the light stays red 5 or 10 minutes can't remember which, you can go left on red as long as there  isn't any cross traffic coming.  It would be worth looking into to see if there's a similar law for bicycles concerning the flashy yellow and even red left turn signals.  Any police officer that has a NC general statute book can look and see.  Those books are thick though so it may take some digging to find anything.
  
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Reply #12 - 02/17/14 at 7:59pm
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The Cycle Path wrote on 02/17/14 at 3:14pm:
I guess I don't see the issue with it. Those traffic lights use red, yellow and green for the left turn arrow. Seems more an issue with programming and the sensing strip in the road not picking up bicycles. Before they just had a green arrow, then it would turn off and it was understood that it was left turn yield on green.

I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing.  The lights I'm referring to don't have a green arrow.  Just blinking yellow.
  
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Reply #13 - 02/17/14 at 8:28pm
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Why can't cyclists do the same as cars, pull into the intersection and wait for an opening or the end of the light? I'm genuinely asking, because I'm not a roadie (yet).
  
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Reply #14 - 02/17/14 at 11:12pm
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Just ride on the booty loop- red, yellow, green, blinking, solid....they all mean go.
  
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Reply #15 - 02/17/14 at 11:49pm
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SirNotAppearing wrote on 02/17/14 at 8:28pm:
Why can't cyclists do the same as cars, pull into the intersection and wait for an opening or the end of the light? I'm genuinely asking, because I'm not a roadie (yet).


This is what I do with any left turn, I treat it just like I would as a car.  In fact, I treat almost every intersection on a bicycle like I would in a car and I rarely have issues other than the d-bag behind me who thinks I'm not going fast enough.

  
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Reply #16 - 02/18/14 at 3:00am
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Can someone enlighten us on what to actually do on the blinky yellow turn signals. In English,not some text book long paragraph answer using words I don't understand. Keep it stupid simple, like real stupid please. It's not in my CDL exam book anywhere, checked it twice!  Maybe it's out of date. Up for renewal next month and really need to know the answer.  Turn, don't turn, go fast, go slow, yield twice or just once?  I just look at it like it's mocking me and wonder why the little lady in front of me just sits there like its red.  It's really scary! kinda like making a right turn on a red.  is that legal?  Think we need a topic on that one too.  It's a wonder I find my way to work and home, lots of left turns.  What do the nascar guys do? they make more left turns than anyone and they don't even use blinkers.  So glad someone finally brought this up, it's been bothering me for years.  

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Reply #17 - 02/18/14 at 12:00pm
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btalley wrote on 02/18/14 at 3:00am:
Can someone enlighten us on what to actually do on the blinky yellow turn signals. In English,not some text book long paragraph answer using words I don't understand. Keep it stupid simple, like real stupid please. It's not in my CDL exam book anywhere, checked it twice!  Maybe it's out of date. Up for renewal next month and really need to know the answer.  Turn, don't turn, go fast, go slow, yield twice or just once?  I just look at it like it's mocking me and wonder why the little lady in front of me just sits there like its red.  It's really scary! kinda like making a right turn on a red.  is that legal?  Think we need a topic on that one too.  It's a wonder I find my way to work and home, lots of left turns.  What do the nascar guys do? they make more left turns than anyone and they don't even use blinkers.  So glad someone finally brought this up, it's been bothering me for years.  

As far as a bike is concerned, just wear lots of neon colored spandex, should do the trick.  A Mohawk on your helmet won't hurt either.

It's basically a green light, but not a green arrow for left-hand turn lanes.  You have to yield to oncoming traffic.
  
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Reply #18 - 02/18/14 at 5:30pm
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sager wrote on 02/17/14 at 7:59pm:

I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing.  The lights I'm referring to don't have a green arrow.  Just blinking yellow. 

So like just one flashing yellow light?
  
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The Cycle Path wrote on 02/18/14 at 5:30pm:

So like just one flashing yellow light?

flashing yellow and solid red.  No green.
  
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