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Reply #20 - 05/06/14 at 2:09am
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IntheBush wrote on 05/06/14 at 12:22am:
I tried a 32x16, after taking the bike at delivery with 32x20 and feeling it was too spinny on many trails (the shop was out of 18t cogs). 

Seemed great at first. Especially on flats and slight hills. Was even powering up the steep stuff at first. But then I noticed my performance degrading slightly on the uphills. Maybe age related, but the 32x16 is IMO too low for most riders on many of the steeper hills. Especially when using clipless pedals. Unless you like taking tumbles from abruptly stopping on uphill roots, or feeling like you're going to bust a pedal axle or a tendon.

32x18 is the compromise I settled on. It's not perfect either. Just sort of between the two extremes.

For most casual riders the 32x20 is adequate and a change probably isn't necessary, unless you like riding your bike on the road too and don't like the neighborhood dog overtaking you.


Was this on a 26er or a 29er?  If a 29er, more power to you.  32x16 would be a damn tough gear.  On a 26er, I think you are back in our ballpark. 
  
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Reply #21 - 05/06/14 at 2:52am
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Reply #22 - 05/06/14 at 11:03am
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Should be finished building today. I am going g ro start with 32 20 and go out and see if I can use something less. I have heard from multiple sources that 34 20 is a better feeling gear and will try that as soon as I have the front ring here.  I am not even sure that I'll like it,  but had the extra frame and decided I'd give it a go.
  
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Reply #23 - 05/06/14 at 3:12pm
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Tire size can have an impact on it too. When I first started riding SS I was on a 32x20 set up with 2.1 tires....it felt really spinny. I went with a heavier gear not even thinking about the tire size. I have been playing around with all sorts of combos and have now settled in on 34x19 (basically the same as a 32x18 in gear inches) with 2.35 tires. Its about 2 gear inches more than a 32x18 with 2.1 tires.

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Reply #24 - 05/06/14 at 4:34pm
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Run what you have, adjust from there if necessary...what on earth does "better feeling gear" mean?   

I run 32:21 generally, but I'd rather make it up the steeper stuff, plus my fitness sucks now.   


kawsakimx6 wrote on 05/04/14 at 2:46am:
Sucks endless cogs are so expensive 



Way cheaper than cassettes!
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Reply #25 - 05/06/14 at 6:03pm
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My first mtb was/is actually my current SS. I built it up with only two cog options,16 and 17t(found used), not realizing what it meant to "mash" or "spin". A few months later, setup 32/17, we were racing together in the summer series. It was painful but i got strong sorta quickly. No choice, right? I still like to go with a tough gear from time to time but prefer 32/19 for general use around here. 32/20 will suck at Sherman but would be fine everywhere else. By the way, a bigger cog and chainring gets better wear. I run a 34t/19 or 20t mostly. 32/20t is a good start but get yourself a few cogs and mix it up
  
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Reply #26 - 05/06/14 at 9:20pm
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sager wrote on 05/06/14 at 2:09am:


Was this on a 26er or a 29er?  If a 29er, more power to you.  32x16 would be a damn tough gear.  On a 26er, I think you are back in our ballpark. 


A 29'r.

I was running that gear in my late 40's. I suspect if I had been running it at 25 years old, with my legs then, I would have perfectly happy with it. But then 29r's didn't exist at that time. 

Even then, when I had a 26" wheeled bike and 18 speeds I only used the middle and the big ring, and at most 2 or 3 gears on each ring. Almost never used the granny gears or the small ring. The shifters in those days were notorious nut crashers on hard uphills and shift speeds were long. Like today, It's about getting in the right gear before you get on the terrain where it's needed. With good legs it's just easier to get out of the saddle and power up most stuff in a higher gear. 

Nothing better for the ego than powering uphill past some guy struggling to get in granny gear. Besides, IMO it's just better mountain biking technique and better for your workout and back, to stay out of the saddle as much as possible. 

In a manner of speaking, gears make you lazy. Especially if you're using them to sit in the saddle all the time. Next thing you know, you need a suspension, etc.. because your ass and back are taking all those hits. I say fine, if that's one's cup of tea. Been there, done that.

As for the single speed, on the super hilly stuff sometimes you're going to walk the bike. Comes with the territory. You'll just walk it a little more with the lower gear. 

But on the slight hills, flats and downhills, or on the road you're rocking. With 32x16 maybe even too much so around here if you're peddling all the time. Therefore, I pedal less to keep my speed and momentum up, so it's not one for one. Meaning sometimes it's harder with the higher gear, sometimes it easier because you carry more momentum with the 29r.

I still have the 16t and 20t cogs, and chains for them. That way it's a fairly quick change depending on the type of riding I intend on doing. But like others have said and based on my experience, if I had one speed for most local conditions, it would be the 32x18 ratio. 
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Reply #27 - 05/06/14 at 9:46pm
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Reply #29 - 05/07/14 at 12:48pm
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Reply #30 - 05/07/14 at 3:36pm
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IntheBush wrote on 05/06/14 at 9:20pm:


A 29'r.

I was running that gear in my late 40's. I suspect if I had been running it at 25 years old, with my legs then, I would have perfectly happy with it. But then 29r's didn't exist at that time. 

Even then, when I had a 26" wheeled bike and 18 speeds I only used the middle and the big ring, and at most 2 or 3 gears on each ring. Almost never used the granny gears or the small ring. The shifters in those days were notorious nut crashers on hard uphills and shift speeds were long. Like today, It's about getting in the right gear before you get on the terrain where it's needed. With good legs it's just easier to get out of the saddle and power up most stuff in a higher gear. 

Nothing better for the ego than powering uphill past some guy struggling to get in granny gear. Besides, IMO it's just better mountain biking technique and better for your workout and back, to stay out of the saddle as much as possible. 

In a manner of speaking, gears make you lazy. Especially if you're using them to sit in the saddle all the time. Next thing you know, you need a suspension, etc.. because your ass and back are taking all those hits. I say fine, if that's one's cup of tea. Been there, done that.

As for the single speed, on the super hilly stuff sometimes you're going to walk the bike. Comes with the territory. You'll just walk it a little more with the lower gear. 

But on the slight hills, flats and downhills, or on the road you're rocking. With 32x16 maybe even too much so around here if you're peddling all the time. Therefore, I pedal less to keep my speed and momentum up, so it's not one for one. Meaning sometimes it's harder with the higher gear, sometimes it easier because you carry more momentum with the 29r.

I still have the 16t and 20t cogs, and chains for them. That way it's a fairly quick change depending on the type of riding I intend on doing. But like others have said and based on my experience, if I had one speed for most local conditions, it would be the 32x18 ratio. 

That's a whole lotta words just to say "+1 to 32x18"   Shocked
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Reply #31 - 05/07/14 at 3:44pm
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I saw a guy at up at Dark Mountain last week riding a 29er 33/16. I laughed as he left me at the trailhead on my 34/21. He was appx 6' something and 90ish lbs. 

"inthebush", i assume you're of similar dimensions.
  
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Reply #32 - 05/07/14 at 7:13pm
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KitJ BBQman wrote on 05/07/14 at 3:36pm:

That's a whole lotta words just to say "+1 to 32x18"   Shocked


Yep.

Somebody asked a question. I elaborated.

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Reply #33 - 05/07/14 at 7:22pm
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Natedilla wrote on 05/07/14 at 3:44pm:
I saw a guy at up at Dark Mountain last week riding a 29er 33/16. I laughed as he left me at the trailhead on my 34/21. He was appx 6' something and 90ish lbs. 

"inthebush", i assume you're of similar dimensions. 


Nope, wasn't me.

I'm 6' tall, about 175-180 lb. hunk o' burnin' love. 

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Reply #34 - 05/15/14 at 1:06pm
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I am going to have to try something different. I had 39/20 and it seemed to spin-y. Switched to 39/16 and tried it last night at Park Road/Marion Diehl and it is proving to be too hard. Made my knees hurt. Especially there where it is so hard to maintain momentum. I kept having to slow down to negotiate the techy stuff and then would have to climb with no speed. Thinking to drop the 39 to a 34 and see how that feels. The 39 is just what came with the cranks so I think it has to go.
  
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Reply #35 - 05/15/14 at 7:13pm
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DItch the 39 and put a 32 on there. THat is just too big of a ring. A smaller ring will allow smaller jumps between gears.
  
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Reply #36 - 05/15/14 at 8:48pm
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On my old steel 29er I used everything from a 32x16-20 depending on where I was riding. 32x16 at Beatty/Sherman and 32x19/20 at RRT and Pisgah... 32x18 can get you up almost everything in Charlotte if you try hard enough.

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Reply #37 - 05/15/14 at 10:21pm
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catsruletn wrote on 05/15/14 at 1:06pm:
I am going to have to try something different. I had 39/20 and it seemed to spin-y. Switched to 39/16 and tried it last night at Park Road/Marion Diehl and it is proving to be too hard. Made my knees hurt. Especially there where it is so hard to maintain momentum. I kept having to slow down to negotiate the techy stuff and then would have to climb with no speed. Thinking to drop the 39 to a 34 and see how that feels. The 39 is just what came with the cranks so I think it has to go.


39/20 was too spinny?

Then you switched to 39/16?

What do you ride? A beach cruiser?

34/20 will work fine. 

If you switch the front to 32, you're going to have to buy an 18t rear cog to get the magic ratio (for Charlotte). Like many here, you may find the 32/20 too easy/spinny for the flatter stuff.
  
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Reply #38 - 05/15/14 at 11:34pm
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Enoch wrote on 05/15/14 at 7:13pm:
DItch the 39 and put a 32 on there. THat is just too big of a ring. A smaller ring will allow smaller jumps between gears.


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On my old steel 29er I used everything from a 32x16-20 depending on where I was riding. 32x16 at Beatty/Sherman and 32x19/20 at RRT and Pisgah... 32x18 can get you up almost everything in Charlotte if you try hard enough.


So sounds like 32 is the ticket....I am a stubborn sort so I may still try the 34 just for kicks but will get a 32 also. 

I like learning through trial and error.  Wink

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Reply #39 - 05/16/14 at 4:55pm
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catsruletn wrote on 05/15/14 at 11:34pm:



So sounds like 32 is the ticket....I am a stubborn sort so I may still try the 34 just for kicks but will get a 32 also. 

I like learning through trial and error.  Wink


Isn't your bike a 650B? That gearing might be different and explain why your knees haven't exploded from riding the 39! I've read a hard gear for a 650b is 38x16, so a 39x19 or 18 would probably be just right if you didn't want to get a new ring.
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