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Rider Hurt @ WWP Last Night
07/18/14 at 11:26am
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I came upon a rider just past the entrance to The North Loop under the zip lines last night that took a very hard crash into a tree. He was with a group and the response from the WWP staff was fantastic.  The fire dept and Medic also responded.

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Reply #1 - 07/18/14 at 12:59pm
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I guess that makes 2 EMS visits last night. When I started my ride they were  over on the newer down hill course extracting someone. When I was finished riding I saw the fire trucks over in the area your talking about.
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Reply #2 - 07/18/14 at 1:08pm
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Can't wait to see what happens when one of those power lines snap!  Am I the only one who's not to keen on the parking area when all you hear are the millions of volts of electricity popping through all the cabling/transformers.... just a dayem scary thought having to park underneath those!  Guess I'm just paranoid!  Shocked
  
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Reply #3 - 07/18/14 at 4:23pm
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someone broke an ankle last night at Sherman also.  About 10 guys there to help him out.
  
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Reply #4 - 07/19/14 at 5:44am
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sager wrote on 07/18/14 at 4:23pm:
someone broke an ankle last night at Sherman also.  About 10 guys there to help him out.
Do you know how the person made out with the broken ankle? I was one of the last people to come upon the accident.

There was a second accident at Sherman last night -- it occurred on the long bridge / wooden feature (i.e., 30-40 ft of low bridge that is towards the end of the main loop -- I think it is 1-1.5 miles from the trail end). The person took a head dive into the feature -- at least that is what he thinks he did. He broke his helmet from the fall, was disoriented and was nice & bloody.

One person stayed with the individual and 2 of us met up with EMS at the trail head (we weren't sure of the fastest way to the trail head, so we took different paths...). EMS dragged the wheeled cart the 1-1.5 miles to where the person was located. Some of the local rescue brought out an ATV so we only had to carry the person about 0.5 mi before loading him onto the ATV.

Interesting night at Sherman Branch.
  
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Reply #5 - 07/19/14 at 11:56am
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This thread brings back some memories. Hope all recover well and get back to it.
  
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Reply #6 - 07/19/14 at 3:44pm
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Based on this thread, I count 4 accidents in a short time period at Sherman and WWC. Any thoughts to tracking accidents in a separate dedicated thread / heading within the forum? These stats could provide useful information / alerts to all types of riders and trail builders.
  
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Reply #7 - 07/19/14 at 9:06pm
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Racing_Lizards wrote on 07/19/14 at 3:44pm:
Based on this thread, I count 4 accidents in a short time period at Sherman and WWC. Any thoughts to tracking accidents in a separate dedicated thread / heading within the forum? These stats could provide useful information / alerts to all types of riders and trail builders. 

Maybe call the thread "Darwinism"?
  
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Reply #8 - 07/19/14 at 9:34pm
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I think it is actually called mountain biking. You tend to get hurt from time to time if you are doing it right. If you don't you either A)are not trying hard enough or B)doing something you shouldn't be.

This is from choice A.
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Re: Rider Hurt @ WWP Last Night
Reply #9 - 07/19/14 at 10:37pm
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Lets please keep track of injuries at all the trails. I could see our insurance go up and everything get covered in bubble wrap and feather pillows or shut down. Mark would go crazy! These things happen it just depends on when and how bad. I think we should start a thread of who hasn't been hurt or helped one of their buddies out of the woods. It probably would be a short thread.
  
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Reply #10 - 07/20/14 at 10:43pm
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Getting hurt is part of riding.

There is no need to keep track.
  
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Reply #11 - 07/21/14 at 10:29pm
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I disagree with the "injuries are part of mountain biking" mentality (to a degree). An injury is not a "badge of honor," it is, quite frankly, a sign of failure. It's not "doing something right," it is literally "doing something wrong." 

That being said, because we all do something wrong from time to time, they are occasionally unavoidable. 

But the risk and the extent of the injury can be mitigated by good judgment. Wear a helmet, sure, but realize that it doesn't make you superman. And knowing your limitations is a good thing. I'm not saying don't push your limits - you should. But if you aren't sure, it does help to start small. If you don't have experience with, say, a two foot step down (think Renni), then why try blasting off a five foot step down (think BYT). 

All that being said, I've had two cracked helmets with accompanying mild concussions, and the cuts, scrapes, and bruises that come with mountain biking. That was said in more of a confessional tone: I'm not proud of the fact. 

As for tracking injuries. It seems to me that people who want to shut down or sterilize the trails would love to have that sort of information at their fingertips - best not to do it for them. 

Just my 2 cents. 





 

  
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Reply #12 - 07/22/14 at 7:43pm
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Good constructive points Trekker1 which is more than I can say for some of the other sarcastic and demeaning replies - great way to build the community guys. Agreed, we all get hurt from time to time and in my 30+ years of riding I have had more than my fair share of incidents. I am not suggesting tracking all forms of accidents. That would not be practical or meaningful but there may be some merit in tracking broken bones (or worse) vs broken ego type accidents. Surely there is a way to do this without shutting down or sterilizing a trail? What is IMBA’s take on providing a successful and sustainable trail network? However, to clarify, allow me to rephrase the question. At what point does it become feasible to provide signage of a potentially hazardous trail condition? For example, how many “victims” need to come short at the WWC “newer downhill course” (a blue designated trail) before applicable trail warning notice is warranted? I am aware that warning signage it posted on various trails throughout Charlotte but not on a consistent basis. I have ridden trails on various other continents and noticed appropriate warning signage. How a rider chooses to respond to these types of notices is their choice – but at least due notice has been provided. Not intending to start a firestorm or create added “bubble wrap and feather pillow” drama - just curious to hear how things are done in NC.
  
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Reply #13 - 07/22/14 at 8:14pm
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No sarcasm here...I just think it's a bad idea (we all have bad ideas)....What good would come of it seriously?  Not what is your logic....But what good would come of it?  

A sign isn't going to keep people from casing a jump....It's a common occurrence....Again not meaning to offend....I just figured you put the idea out there to open a discussion....
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Racing_Lizards wrote on 07/22/14 at 7:43pm:
Good constructive points Trekker1 which is more than I can say for some of the other sarcastic and demeaning replies - great way to build the community guys. Agreed, we all get hurt from time to time and in my 30+ years of riding I have had more than my fair share of incidents. I am not suggesting tracking all forms of accidents. That would not be practical or meaningful but there may be some merit in tracking broken bones (or worse) vs broken ego type accidents. Surely there is a way to do this without shutting down or sterilizing a trail? What is IMBA’s take on providing a successful and sustainable trail network? However, to clarify, allow me to rephrase the question. At what point does it become feasible to provide signage of a potentially hazardous trail condition? For example, how many “victims” need to come short at the WWC “newer downhill course” (a blue designated trail) before applicable trail warning notice is warranted? I am aware that warning signage it posted on various trails throughout Charlotte but not on a consistent basis. I have ridden trails on various other continents and noticed appropriate warning signage. How a rider chooses to respond to these types of notices is their choice – but at least due notice has been provided. Not intending to start a firestorm or create added “bubble wrap and feather pillow” drama - just curious to hear how things are done in NC.

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Reply #16 - 07/22/14 at 9:06pm
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Racing_Lizards wrote on 07/22/14 at 7:43pm:
Good constructive points Trekker1 which is more than I can say for some of the other sarcastic and demeaning replies - great way to build the community guys. Agreed, we all get hurt from time to time and in my 30+ years of riding I have had more than my fair share of incidents. I am not suggesting tracking all forms of accidents. That would not be practical or meaningful but there may be some merit in tracking broken bones (or worse) vs broken ego type accidents. Surely there is a way to do this without shutting down or sterilizing a trail? What is IMBA’s take on providing a successful and sustainable trail network? However, to clarify, allow me to rephrase the question. At what point does it become feasible to provide signage of a potentially hazardous trail condition? For example, how many “victims” need to come short at the WWC “newer downhill course” (a blue designated trail) before applicable trail warning notice is warranted? I am aware that warning signage it posted on various trails throughout Charlotte but not on a consistent basis. I have ridden trails on various other continents and noticed appropriate warning signage. How a rider chooses to respond to these types of notices is their choice – but at least due notice has been provided. Not intending to start a firestorm or create added “bubble wrap and feather pillow” drama - just curious to hear how things are done in NC.

My suggestion is to just put one sign at every trail head that reads something to the effect of "mountain biking is dangerous", or "Danger - uneven surfaces ahead". 

I think this is summed up by the signs that say "helmet required" at most of our trails, which many (see Sherman Branch) choose to ignore anyways. Maybe additional progressively stern warning signs thoughout the trail that say "really" or "no seriously, helmets are required" would help too?
  
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Reply #17 - 07/22/14 at 9:11pm
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Oh, and "victim"? Not even going there. With all due respect, that's ridiculous.
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Reply #19 - 07/22/14 at 10:08pm
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Riding a bike through the woods at high speed over roots and rocks and drop is dangerous?? Say it aint so!!

Come on guys. Its mountain biking. If your not falling from time to time your either not riding, or riding at such a low speed that you probably cant call it riding. 

Keeping track of accidents and injuries at trails has no value whatsoever. zero... It creates no good and at minimum will cause land managers to second guess building trail due to liability issues. 

If you dont want to crash then stay home. Its going to happen to every single rider at some point no matter their skill level. Hell, I trip going down stairs from time to time. Should I quit walking? Should there be a sign at every stair saying "warning stairs are dangerous"? No, thats dumb.

If you ride above your skill level either on purpose (cause its awesome) or by accident (cause you didnt know the trail was so beyond your limit) your going to go down. Look before you leap. You think pro downhillers ride blindly into 40' gap jumps? They take calculated risks.

Putting signs up will accomplish nothing like FredRubble said. Trying to prevent accidents in an inherently dangerous activity wont work either. 

calling someone who crashes on their bike a "victim" is silly.

Why do we have to victimize everything? 

So you crashed on your bike. Its your fault...not the trail, the bike, the wind, the birds in the trees...yours. You rode above your skill level or were complacent at the wrong time and went down. Its ok. It happens. Pick yourself up, dust off your britches and continue having fun. 

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