...what Bryan said.

Good points Banjo. Retract the use of the word victim, sorry guys, that came out wrong, even though it has been used with inverted commas. Nothing against WWC, awesome trails.

I just showed and discussed this this thread with my 9 year old twin girls and started with  "ok so someone got hurt at the WWC riding their MTB does that sound weird"?  They both replied "no" right away....I asked why and they said  "because if you ride bikes you get hurt"....How many of you never laid your bike down as a child?

...I'm making signs up for the neighborhood to warn all the innocent children of the dangers of having fun....

Sorry, I transitioned to blatant sarcasm.....I blame groupthink.....


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It is dangerous to call a trail dangerous... THere is nothing dangerous about MTB riding. Out of control people are dangerous,  not the trail. It is a constant path thru the woods. People and skill levels are the variable here.

I think it would be best to refer to trails as having sections that are more technical or say it is challenging. Calling it dangerous scares land owners. 

I simply implied you were "minimalist in terms of signage" and affirmed that "that was cool." BYT wouldn't be "BYT" if it was paved (or even, you know, "blazed" or... on camber... or .... maintained... or... tended). Seriously though, I'm all for a variety of trails and value BYT for the opportunities it offers for a rider to challenge himself. All kidding aside, I believe that we need the BYTs and the Postons, as much as the Sherman Branches or the Rennis. 

I've been to work days at BYT... and could find my way around all right. To be honest though, I haven't been out that way in about two years or so. I'm sure it looks nothing like it did before.

I just picked the place where I've had the highest "accidents per capita" if you will. 

Keep up the good work bro. All sorts of trash talk is okay on the forums, but I think everyone appreciates what you have done with BYT. 

If anything, I think we should track the grumpy-ness level of the forum's members in relation to the duration and number of closed trails.  :lol:  I'm guilty myself, I get super grumpy when I don't ride for extended periods of time.

When you start talking legal issues, you have to always look at worst case scenario.  Anyone can sue anyone for anything in this country, and many take advantage of that fact.  So, with that in mind, consider the following worst case scenario:

- You're a land owner of a trail and you're the defendant on the stand in a trial where you are being sued by a mountain biker that has been injured.

Plaintiff attorney: "So, Mr. TrailOwner, are you aware of any other incidents at location x on your trail?"
You:  "Yes"
Att: "And did any of those individuals require medical care for their injuries?"
You: "Yes"
Att: "How many incidents can you recall?
You: "10"
Att: "So, given the fact that there have been 10 injuries that you are aware of, would you say there is a pattern of recurring injuries at this particular location on the trail?"
You: "Yes"
Att: "Would you say that more people are being injured at this location compared to other parts of the trail?"
You: "Yes"
Att: "Mr. LandOwner, did you take any measures to warn trail users of the potential dangers of location x, given the fact that you recognize trail users were getting injured more frequently at this location?"
You: "No"

I'm just throwing this out for consideration.  I personally think that a sub-forum to track injuries is a bit over the top, but I have a lot of respect for private land owners for taking a risk by allowing strangers to use their property for an activity that results in personal injury... people can be litigious a-holes, that's a fact.

I agree.  Please don't keep a registry of the injuries and locations.  That was a big thing when a lawyer was going after a ski area for trail design.  How many others got hurt in the same area and why dint you change something to make it safer.

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I would like to report that I had solid woods-ride tonight and I did not sustain any injuries. 

Pretty sure I'll be ok after 17 years with no major injuries minus a couple minor knee sprains, but thanks for caring!