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Blow Leaves 29 (37.7%) Don't Blow Leaves 11 (14.3%) Depends on the Trail 15 (19.5%) I really don't care either Way 22 (28.6%) Total votes: 77 « Created by: Doc00t on: 11/02/15 at 5:58pm »

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teamdicky Big Ring Offline Which way is out? Posts: 2929 Joined: 10/27/04	"Leaving" this here... because... Fall. 11/02/15 at 12:33pm	Print Post
	Stunning videography. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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FredRubble Little Ring Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 509 Location: Mineral Springs Joined: 05/28/14	Re: "Leaving" this here... because... Fall. Reply #1 - 11/02/15 at 1:02pm	Print Post
	Dude seems to have spent a bit of time trying to figure it out....I have seen mucho frost heave around here so maybe he is on to something....

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bikermedic Little Ring Offline Swim, Bike, Run 140.6 Posts: 904 Joined: 04/07/09	Re: "Leaving" this here... because... Fall. Reply #2 - 11/02/15 at 1:03pm	Print Post
	Poking the Bear....

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teamdicky Big Ring Offline Which way is out? Posts: 2929 Joined: 10/27/04	Re: "Leaving" this here... because... Fall. Reply #3 - 11/02/15 at 1:13pm	Print Post
	bikermedic wrote on 11/02/15 at 1:03pm: Poking the Bear.... (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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catsruletn IB Room In The Loop Project Board Offline My bike demands rights!! Posts: 2262 Location: Charlotte NC Joined: 07/20/06	Re: "Leaving" this here... because... Fall. Reply #4 - 11/02/15 at 3:07pm	Print Post
	Too long. Can I get a summary?

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Doc00t IB Room In The Loop Project Board Offline When in DOUBT, PEDAL it OUT Posts: 1785 Location: University Joined: 05/09/12	Re: "Leaving" this here... because... Fall. Reply #5 - 11/02/15 at 4:07pm	Print Post
	Whatever does not kill you only make you stronger...except Bears, Bears will kill you.

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FredRubble Little Ring Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 509 Location: Mineral Springs Joined: 05/28/14	Re: "Leaving" this here... because... Fall. Reply #6 - 11/02/15 at 4:09pm	Print Post
	catsruletn wrote on 11/02/15 at 3:07pm: Too long. Can I get a summary? Leaves can help protect against the freeze thaw muddy mess.... They both insulate and absorb....

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The Cycle Path IB Room In The Loop Project Board Offline Treasurer '11 to '18. Trail Chair '12-'18, '20-'21 Posts: 11858 Location: Lake Norman Joined: 08/04/03	Re: "Leaving" this here... because... Fall. Reply #7 - 11/02/15 at 5:25pm	Print Post
	Saw it last year when it popped up on mtbr.com. He has some points but for me the pros don't out weigh the cons...by a long shot. Each trail coordinator is allowed to deal with the issue how they see fit. Different climates and different soil composition will "dicky"tate the best course of action.

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The Cycle Path IB Room In The Loop Project Board Offline Treasurer '11 to '18. Trail Chair '12-'18, '20-'21 Posts: 11858 Location: Lake Norman Joined: 08/04/03	Re: "Leaving" this here... because... Fall. Reply #8 - 11/02/15 at 5:30pm	Print Post
	FredRubble wrote on 11/02/15 at 4:09pm: Leaves can help protect against the freeze thaw muddy mess.... They both insulate and absorb.... They create a layer on top of the mud. When ridden they become crushed into the mud, adding organic material to the mineral soil and retaining moisture = berms on the outslope of the trail = not good for drying trails.

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Doc00t IB Room In The Loop Project Board Offline When in DOUBT, PEDAL it OUT Posts: 1785 Location: University Joined: 05/09/12	Re: "Leaving" this here... because... Fall. Reply #9 - 11/02/15 at 5:58pm	Print Post
	Just for Fun...

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johnski Small Cog Offline Posts: 379 Location: Concord, NC Joined: 07/10/11	Re: "Leaving" this here... because... Fall. Reply #10 - 11/02/15 at 6:30pm	Print Post
	We love doing this around here, don't we. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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TrillWill IB Room In The Loop Project Board Offline THTB Board member 16'-23' LKN TC Posts: 1027 Location: Cornelius Joined: 06/14/11	Re: "Leaving" this here... because... Fall. Reply #11 - 11/02/15 at 7:40pm	Print Post
	Most likely not going to blow any leaves at North Meck this season except for the drains... There is so much traffic on the trail that the leaves get beat down really quick. I bet it will help the areas that get affected by the freeze thaw out there too. I really like riding Lake Norman in the leaves, it rides like a new trail. Maybe we should wait until March or so once it warms up to blow the leaves off LKN. It could allow the trails to stay open more this winter.

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Banjopickin Big Ring Offline Spinnin' knees & Hittin' trees since '85 Posts: 1805 Location: Pisgah National Forest, USA Joined: 08/01/11	Re: "Leaving" this here... because... Fall. Reply #12 - 11/02/15 at 9:18pm	Print Post
	We should all just "leaf" the decision up to the TCs... My opinion on blowing the trails? I could take it or "leaf" it.... Although, we should just "leaf" well enough alone... I mean after its done where does that "leaf" us?
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azcanc Small Cog Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 490 Location: charlotte nc Joined: 09/16/09	Re: "Leaving" this here... because... Fall. Reply #13 - 11/03/15 at 3:44am	Print Post
	Great video Dicky.

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The Cycle Path IB Room In The Loop Project Board Offline Treasurer '11 to '18. Trail Chair '12-'18, '20-'21 Posts: 11858 Location: Lake Norman Joined: 08/04/03	Re: "Leaving" this here... because... Fall. Reply #14 - 11/03/15 at 2:21pm	Print Post
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drdirt55 Small Cog Offline Stupid should be painful Posts: 318 Location: Mooresville Joined: 12/18/11	Re: "Leaving" this here... because... Fall. Reply #15 - 11/03/15 at 3:44pm	Print Post
	The Cycle Path wrote on 11/03/15 at 2:21pm: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) going to need one of those

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abruzzopat Little Ring Offline Irritating animated GIF... I'll remove it soon. Posts: 519 Location: Belmont, NC Joined: 06/29/14	Re: "Leaving" this here... because... Fall. Reply #16 - 11/04/15 at 9:17pm	Print Post
	This is a timely post and I have been thinking about this myself. Last winter I blew the leaves at SWDP several times and noticed major frost heave. The trail ended up slick as snot for a long stretch. I do not recall it having that problem the winter before when I was not coordinator. The issue is that the trail does not get heavy use, so the trail has a tendency to disappear. I am leaning toward blowing once when the leaves are really deep, but there are more still to fall, then focus on drains, keeping deadfall and debris off the trail, but not blowing the trail clean. I may clear a test section just for fun and see what comes of it.

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The Cycle Path IB Room In The Loop Project Board Offline Treasurer '11 to '18. Trail Chair '12-'18, '20-'21 Posts: 11858 Location: Lake Norman Joined: 08/04/03	Re: "Leaving" this here... because... Fall. Reply #17 - 11/05/15 at 5:48pm	Print Post
	Unfortunately frost heave will happen underneath the leaf litter as well. The leaves just "hide" it. Tried it at Fisher years back.

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FredRubble Little Ring Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 509 Location: Mineral Springs Joined: 05/28/14	Re: "Leaving" this here... because... Fall. Reply #18 - 11/05/15 at 8:28pm	Print Post
	The Cycle Path wrote on 11/05/15 at 5:48pm: Unfortunately frost heave will happen underneath the leaf litter as well. The leaves just "hide" it. Tried it at Fisher years back. Then there was some crazy wizard magic going on in that video.... does the frost penetrate the leaf layer? I'm not doubting you since you have more first hand experience then I do... Is the video just propaganda or what?
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The Cycle Path IB Room In The Loop Project Board Offline Treasurer '11 to '18. Trail Chair '12-'18, '20-'21 Posts: 11858 Location: Lake Norman Joined: 08/04/03	Re: "Leaving" this here... because... Fall. Reply #19 - 11/05/15 at 8:39pm	Print Post
	What he's actually showing is frost heave on areas that are low and don't drain well. Much of the trail he showed without leaves and all the frost heave was pretty flat. The area that he chose to show leaves preventing frost heave actually had a pretty good grade meaning that it drains well. Another thing he fails to mention is the accumulation and integration of organic material into the mineral soil of the tread surface. Granted, some loamy soils contain a certain amount of organic material but the ones that drain well typically have a fair amount of larger stone and/or sand particles in them. It really depends on the geography and soil geology of the trail. I've been observing the seasonal cycles at Fisher since 2004 and sometimes are just a good time to stay off the trail. Red clay is great when it's dry but sucks when it's wet.

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