Yep.... its fun....unmanicured,primitive fun... There is a climb out there after a creek crossing that haunts my dreams....

abruzzopat wrote on 11/12/15 at 1:16pm:



I saw that, but with almost 40 miles of trails out there they cant all suck.  I don't know maybe they do, only one way to find out I suppose.

TrillWill wrote on 11/12/15 at 2:32pm:



Did you hike up the front side or the backside of Daniel?  I hadnt thought of that but that would be a blast.

Somewhat off topic, but I've never understood why some park service people (not speaking of any in particular) get so petty about minor trail erosion for mtn bike trails, holding them up for studies and approvals, but don't seem to care about massive destruction caused by ATV's, 4WD vehicles, and horses. I own horses, but horses cause way more damage than mtn bikes. I've been on some of the 4WD trails at Uwharrie and it's near total destruction. I'm saying this while thinking in particular about the new trail at Wood Run several years ago that never got approval because the grade was too steep. In a thousand years of bike use, that trail would never look like the 4WD trails. There seems to be a double standard.

I ride mtn bikes and go off-roading. There is no double standard. The OHV trails are very much on the USFS radar. I'm doing what I can in working with them to keep them open.  The local USFS office is great to work with.  A lot of the problem stems from irresponsible users. 

The mtn biking community is better organized and has better etiquette.  I won't argue that. 

Edit- to your point on trail building:

There is a difference or double standard between existing and new trails.  The ORV trails there now would never be approved if they were being considered today.  They are still in use because they already exist but closure is a constant threat.