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Reply #20 - 02/22/17 at 8:05pm
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Experience has shown me that those who are most likely to exhibit poor trail etiquette are the same ones most likely to pass signage without reading it. 
Be it related to trail etiquette, direction, or navigation, the people who need the signs the most are the least likely to use them.  

All valid suggestions, but more signs will not fix the issue.  



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Reply #21 - 02/22/17 at 8:22pm
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There are already signs at main trailheads delivering a very condensed and simple message regarding trail etiquette.  They have been there for a long time.  The people who need them do not read them.



  
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Reply #22 - 02/22/17 at 8:41pm
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BudLeach wrote on 02/22/17 at 1:59pm:


Just playing devils advocate here... The USNWC makes more money off the oblivious trail user who goes out there a couple times a year and buys a day pass, than they do off someone like me who buys the annual parking pass and goes out there ~50x per year to use the trails. 

I want the place to be successful too, because that means more trails. But lets be honest, while the mountain bike community might be some of their most frequent guests. We don't exactly contribute a huge amount to the financial success of the USNWC. 

Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. In the case of the USNWC, the good far outweighs the bad. If you want to go somewhere out in nature, where you don't have to deal with trail newbs, there are places for that. 

If you want to go somewhere you can shred singletrack, ride ziplines, do ropes courses, climb rock walls, whitewater raft, then grab some good food, and enjoy some beers while watching a free live music performance... USNWC.

I don't know about you, but every time that I go somewhere else to ride because the place is going to be too crowded is at least one fewer $9 beer that they sell.
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Harry Balsagna wrote on 02/22/17 at 7:28pm:
You mean to tell me in all these comments about this topic not one mention about Thread trail has been made?  Unnnnnnnbelievable.  Riding at WWC on a sunny Saturday in February is like skiing at Sugar on a sunny Saturday in February.  You're not going to get anywhere fast.  Gotta just accept the newbs clad in denim and Starter jackets.  

I used to have a legit clown horn on my bike, that was the best for alerting other trail users i was coming.  Now i have a speaker mounted on the handle bar playing hip-hop or rock which serves a similar purpose.  There's gonna be people that are oblivious or just plain dicks, be it at WWC or sitting in rush hour traffic on I77 or waiting in line for a beer at ..uggghhhh.. Sycamore.. is what it is.  Pretty much everyone i know with the club is the 'bigger man' type so if we can deal with I77 at 5:30 on a weekday or Sycamore at 3 on a Saturday, pretty sure we can deal with some jackwagon riding a mongoose wearing sandals and hacking up a lung in the middle of Lake Loop.

The Thread trail is a spot that could benefit from signage. It's one of the few two- way trails that we have in the area and suffers from conflict problems as a result.

I guess this response is indicative of why I didn't see any action when I suggested it last year and a sign that I should probably not expect anything and take my riding, and beer money, elsewhere.
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Reply #23 - 02/22/17 at 9:34pm
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I did not say anything to offend or to discredit your ideas.

You are not the first person to consider trail conflict at USNWC.  We have considered it for years.  We have tried all of your suggestions already and they have not worked.  There has been various signage over the years.  There is signage currently.  Signs have been removed and replaced with different signs.  Messages have been modified and poured over.  Nobody who needs to read it ever does though.   

I am not criticizing your idea.  I'm saying that your idea is where I was 6 years ago.

  
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Reply #24 - 02/22/17 at 10:24pm
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lee flythe wrote on 02/22/17 at 9:34pm:
I did not say anything to offend or to discredit your ideas.
You are not the first person to consider trail conflict at USNWC.  We have considered it for years.  We have tried all of your suggestions already and they have not worked.  There has been various signage over the years.  There is signage currently.  Signs have been removed and replaced with different signs.  Messages have been modified and poured over.  Nobody who needs to read it ever does though.  

I am not criticizing your idea.  I'm saying that your idea is where I was 6 years ago.


I've never seen anything posted re: trail etiquette and I've certainly never seen anything suggesting hikers go opposite direction of travel or even where they should go to start the trail going the opposite way. I know that Lake Norman has an advantage here because they already have signage at both ends because of their direction reversals, but this here seems to be pretty low hanging fruit to me.

EDIT: There might have been some trail etiquette mentioned on the signs at the old trailhead kiosk that used to be near where the lower lot road is now, but I can't recall.
  
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Reply #25 - 02/22/17 at 11:35pm
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There has always been signage speaking in some form to trail etiquette.  It's on one of those signs with lots of words that you don't notice when you ride by it.

Trying to influence pedestrians to travel in a certain direction is an unwinnable battle.  We can't even get them to use official trailheads.  It's unenforceable, and debatable as to whether it's an improvement. If we did sign the trails in dual directions it would simply confuse the novice cycling public even more and you'd see and increase in dual direction bike traffic.  It's been discussed internally ad nauseum and the decision has always been to let pedestrians travel as they wish.   

We're focusing on what we can achieve.  Building enough trail that they can't all be crowded, and building them far enough away that the experienced trail users can travel beyond the masses.

I'm not trying to criticize your idea, or to dismiss it.  I'm just saying that we've already vetted and/or exhausted it long ago.
  
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Re: USNWC trail conflicts
Reply #26 - 02/22/17 at 11:59pm
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Good going Lee I will have the same problem over at BYT when I get strollers,roller blades and who knows what off the greenway when it opens a year from now. Signs are useless unless you take the time to STOP and actually read them. Then if you put lots up that really just makes it worse. 
  
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Reply #27 - 02/23/17 at 12:00am
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lee flythe wrote on 02/22/17 at 11:35pm:
There has always been signage speaking in some form to trail etiquette.  It's on one of those signs with lots of words that you don't notice when you ride by it.

Trying to influence pedestrians to travel in a certain direction is an unwinnable battle.  We can't even get them to use official trailheads.  It's unenforceable, and debatable as to whether it's an improvement. If we did sign the trails in dual directions it would simply confuse the novice cycling public even more and you'd see and increase in dual direction bike traffic.  It's been discussed internally ad nauseum and the decision has always been to let pedestrians travel as they wish.   

We're focusing on what we can achieve.  Building enough trail that they can't all be crowded, and building them far enough away that the experienced trail users can travel beyond the masses.

I'm not trying to criticize your idea, or to dismiss it.  I'm just saying that we've already vetted and/or exhausted it long ago.   


Very well said!  I love the WWC and am so stoked to have a place so close to home as a phenomenal trail option.  Coming from NY this has become such a GROWING gem. 
You have a problem with all that....go early and u get it all to yourself like I do.  Place is a gem and keeps getting better!!!!  Thank u Lee and those involved.  Amazing place period
  
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Reply #28 - 02/23/17 at 12:00am
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lee flythe wrote on 02/22/17 at 11:35pm:


We're focusing on what we can achieve.  Building enough trail that they can't all be crowded, and building them far enough away that the experienced trail users can travel beyond the masses..   



Y'all have been doing great with what you have acheived!  To think in a few years we may have a 50 mile trail system so close to home is truly awesome!  Keep on building great trail!
  
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Re: USNWC trail conflicts
Reply #29 - 02/23/17 at 12:44am
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lee flythe wrote on 02/22/17 at 11:35pm:
There has always been signage speaking in some form to trail etiquette.  It's on one of those signs with lots of words that you don't notice when you ride by it.

Trying to influence pedestrians to travel in a certain direction is an unwinnable battle.  We can't even get them to use official trailheads.  It's unenforceable, and debatable as to whether it's an improvement. If we did sign the trails in dual directions it would simply confuse the novice cycling public even more and you'd see and increase in dual direction bike traffic.  It's been discussed internally ad nauseum and the decision has always been to let pedestrians travel as they wish.   

We're focusing on what we can achieve.  Building enough trail that they can't all be crowded, and building them far enough away that the experienced trail users can travel beyond the masses.

I'm not trying to criticize your idea, or to dismiss it.  I'm just saying that we've already vetted and/or exhausted it long ago.   

What he said. ^^^
  
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Re: USNWC trail conflicts
Reply #30 - 02/23/17 at 1:25pm
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worker-rider wrote on 02/22/17 at 11:59pm:
Good going Lee I will have the same problem over at BYT when I get strollers,roller blades and who knows what off the greenway when it opens a year from now. Signs are useless unless you take the time to STOP and actually read them. Then if you put lots up that really just makes it worse. 



New signage BYT?
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Reply #31 - 02/23/17 at 1:50pm
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I keep hearing LNSP - I go to both a lot and vary rarely see a hiker, and its a great white buffalo if I see one outside of Monbo where at USNWC I see them all the time.  I think this is because LNSP has some non cycling trails.
  
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Reply #32 - 02/23/17 at 3:08pm
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Scott got me thinking about some of the sweet machines we might start see coming through at BYT/MD/PRP, a few below i can think of.. Pat, any signs for these things?  Lee may have seen some of these already at WWC..   
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lee flythe wrote on 02/22/17 at 11:35pm:
There has always been signage speaking in some form to trail etiquette.  It's on one of those signs with lots of words that you don't notice when you ride by it.

Trying to influence pedestrians to travel in a certain direction is an unwinnable battle.  We can't even get them to use official trailheads.  It's unenforceable, and debatable as to whether it's an improvement. If we did sign the trails in dual directions it would simply confuse the novice cycling public even more and you'd see and increase in dual direction bike traffic.  It's been discussed internally ad nauseum and the decision has always been to let pedestrians travel as they wish.   

We're focusing on what we can achieve.  Building enough trail that they can't all be crowded, and building them far enough away that the experienced trail users can travel beyond the masses.

I'm not trying to criticize your idea, or to dismiss it.  I'm just saying that we've already vetted and/or exhausted it long ago.   



This seems like the smartest approach.
  
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