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03/07/17 at 2:34pm
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So I get the urge to get a new bike about once every 5 minutes but then I go ride my current rig and realize it can still hang with the new breed of bike out there. So rather than spend several thousand dollar on a shiny new steed, I figured I might spend a little money to upgrade my old steady. I want something that will improve overall performance. Below is a spec list and pic (not great detail) of the bike. Post your thoughts. Thanks.


Frame: 2008? Banshee Spitfire V1 Med with Fox RP2 (I had a RP23 and don't notice much difference)
Fork: 2008? Rockshox Lyrik 160 R2C2 Coil Uturn
Wheels: DT350 hubs laced to Pacenti TL28 32h
Cranks: Truvativ Stylo 175 mm
BB: Sram GXP
Chain ring: RF N/W 32
Cassette: X0 11-38
Shifter: X0 10 spd
Rear Derailleur: X0 10 spd med cage Type 2
Bars: Spank Spike 800
Stem: Renthal Strata Dup 50 mm
Brakes: Hayes Prime Pro with 185 Avid rotors
Headset: CaneCreek something
Grips: ODI Ruffian
Seatpost: Reverb 125
Saddle: SDG Bel Sir 2.0 Ti rail
Tires: Front 2.4" Ardent, Rear 2.25" High Roller (not II)

My guess is that I should look at wheels and suspension for true performance upgrades.

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Reply #1 - 03/07/17 at 2:48pm
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Thats a solid build that can handle anything you'll see around these parts. Just keep riding it...

By the time you invest in new wheels ($500+), shock ($300+) and fork ($800+) you would be halfway toward a new bike... keep riding what you have and save for another year and get a new bike with updated stuff (boost, 27.5, 1x11, etc.) included OEM. 

Nothing wrong with what you have...

Is there a specific component that is not doing it for you? What on the bike is under performing?
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Reply #2 - 03/07/17 at 3:04pm
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Banjopickin wrote on 03/07/17 at 2:48pm:
What on the bike is under performing?


Me...

You're probably right. I do love the way this bike rides. It's mostly just the new stuff itch that needs scratching. Maybe some new rubber will hit the spot without dropping too much coin.
  
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Reply #3 - 03/07/17 at 3:11pm
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I share the same problems you do, but as banjo said, ride it into the ground first.
  
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Reply #4 - 03/07/17 at 3:57pm
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If you have to scratch the "i need new stuff" itch...

Upgrading the rear shock to a coil would be sweet. The Spitfire could run a coil (with a little tweaking on the compression damping to compensate for the rising rate at the end stroke) which would really open that bike up for burlier riding.

New tires always makes a bike feel fresh too... If you want to try something new, measure up and see if you can clear mid-plus sizes (2.5-2.8s). Not sure if they make them for 26" wheels though...

Add a One-Up 42 cog or similar and you have a new-ish drive train. Thats super cheap but not really necessary unless you are struggling to clean climbs already.

or Get Monkey Lights and really pi  . everyone off haha...
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Reply #5 - 03/07/17 at 4:12pm
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I do the exact same thing.  Nice bike by the way.  You are right, a new one will not perform much different than yours.   

I am running an '11 Ibis Mojo HD with all new suspension, wheels and drivetrain.

The new suspension helps but you already have good suspension.  The new stuff will shave off some weight with an air sprung fork.  You will have a hard time finding 26" forks unless you go with Fox 36 or Rock Shox Pike or something similar to that.  Then you could always do a 27.5 fork in preparation for a future build...

I noticed a big difference when I went to my 1x11 speed set up.  It gives you a huge gear range that helps my fat ass out in the mountains.  You can pick up some XT brakes on the cheap right now.  Brakes have always been a huge performance boost for me. Not that they make you faster, they just stop better.  You already have a dropper, so you already have the biggest fun boosting part on your bike. 

I even go so far as repainting my frames when I simply want a new one and don't want to buy one.
  
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Reply #6 - 03/07/17 at 6:19pm
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Get you a couple o' 5 lb. ankle weights..
Strap 'em to the top tube.
Ride like that for a couple o' weeks. Then take them off.  Smiley

Or just let me know next time you'll be at Sherman or RR. I'll bring my Superlight clone and you can ride it. Same difference.

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Reply #7 - 03/07/17 at 7:51pm
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Sandman wrote on 03/07/17 at 3:04pm:
Maybe some new rubber will hit the spot without dropping too much coin.



That's what i do. Throw on some new tires and i'm all like "Ooooooooooooh, it's a whole new bike"  Grin
  
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I tried a Hope 40trex range extending cog but it failed under my massive torque. I've spent forty mile days in the mountains without it so I don't really think it's necessary. New rubber it is! Thinking High Roller II for the rear and Minion dhf or another Ardent up front.
  
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Sandman wrote on 03/07/17 at 11:25pm:
I tried a Hope 40trex range extending cog but it failed under my massive torque. I've spent forty mile days in the mountains without it so I don't really think it's necessary. New rubber it is! Thinking High Roller II for the rear and Minion dhf or another Ardent up front.

I am clearly not a machine like you, I need all of the help I can get.  Can't go wrong with any of those tires.
  
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Reply #10 - 03/08/17 at 3:06am
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You've got a pretty sweet build already.  The Minion DHF/High Roller II setup is pretty nice.  If you're feeling spendy, you could have your current hubs relaced with something a little wider like the new Stan's Flow to better complement the Minions.

I was just in the same place with my 26" Nomad.  Ended up going with Ardent 2.4's F&R (still on 21mm internal rims) and still need to add a dropper.  I haven't had any issues with traction here or in the mountains and I don't shy away from the harder stuff.  11 speed would be nice, but 11-38 with a 30T is definitely manageable even in the mountains.   

I say just get some new tires and ride the hell out of it!
  
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Reply #11 - 03/08/17 at 12:57pm
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My current tire setup is great (Ardent front, High Roller rear) but they are not UST and are old and leaching stans through the sidewalls. My rear rim is getting beat up. I've had to bend out a few dings lately, mostly due to tires getting a little low.

Any lines on good tire and/or rim deals?
  
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Have you upgraded to the 54t star ratchet on your DT 350's? Relatively cheap upgrade, and I definitely like the additional POE's! Cool
  
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Join the club brother. lol   

I have drooled over a new Top Fuel for the last two years now.  I would love a dedicated XC FS bike.  It would make accomplishing new PR's for me easier, but the bike I have is still so much more capable than I am.  I thought I "needed" a new bike 2yrs ago and a friend of mine raced the summer series with me.  He flat SMOKED me on the exact same model of bike I have now.  That right there told me that I didn't need a new bike.  I needed to be a better rider.  I will get a new bike eventually, but I no longer have the excuse that I "need" a new bike to be a better rider...
  
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Have you upgraded to the 54t star ratchet on your DT 350's? Relatively cheap upgrade, and I definitely like the additional POE's! Cool


Never heard of it.
  
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Stock DT 350 hubs are usually sold with the 18t or 36t star ratchet in the free hub resulting 20 degrees or 10 degrees of engagement (respectively).  Ex: On 18t the crank would have to rotate 20 degrees (maximum) before it engaged the rear hub.  This results in slower engagement and free spinning pedal before the clunk of the free hub engaging.

The 54t upgrade results in quicker engagement (6.66 degree vs 20 degree for 18t). You have to spin the crank only 33% of the distance of a 18t to engage the freehub. This is extremely helpful on tech climbing and the initial pedal coming out of turns or accelerating.

The upgrade is very easy, pull off the cassette and free hub (no tools needed) pull out the star ratchet and springs, clean with towel, apply new grease (included with upgrade), drop in 54t ratchet, replace cassette and free hub.

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OoHoO wrote on 03/08/17 at 8:23pm:
Stock DT 350 hubs are usually sold with the 18t or 36t star ratchet in the free hub resulting 20 degrees or 10 degrees of engagement (respectively).  Ex: On 18t the crank would have to rotate 20 degrees (maximum) before it engaged the rear hub.  This results in slower engagement and free spinning pedal before the clunk of the free hub engaging.

The 54t upgrade results in quicker engagement (6.66 degree vs 20 degree for 18t). You have to spin the crank only 33% of the distance of a 18t to engage the freehub. This is extremely helpful on tech climbing and the initial pedal coming out of turns or accelerating.

The upgrade is very easy, pull off the cassette and free hub (no tools needed) pull out the star ratchet and springs, clean with towel, apply new grease (included with upgrade), drop in 54t ratchet, replace cassette and free hub.

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Will it make my bike easier to push up the hills?

Seriously though, I think I'll give it a go.
  
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Reply #17 - 03/09/17 at 8:47pm
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Didn't think about the ratchet upgrade, but definitely worth it for technical trails like in Pisgah.

Shoot Enoch a PM and see what kind of coin it would cost to re-lace your current hubs.  Believe it was going to cost me $350'ish for MK3 Flow's with new spokes/nipples.  Didn't make sense for me at the time because my wheels are still true and in good shape.  I was just looking for a wider rim and will go that route when I eventually destroy mine.
  
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OoHoO wrote on 03/08/17 at 8:23pm:
Stock DT 350 hubs are usually sold with the 18t or 36t star ratchet in the free hub resulting 20 degrees or 10 degrees of engagement (respectively).  Ex: On 18t the crank would have to rotate 20 degrees (maximum) before it engaged the rear hub.  This results in slower engagement and free spinning pedal before the clunk of the free hub engaging.

The 54t upgrade results in quicker engagement (6.66 degree vs 20 degree for 18t). You have to spin the crank only 33% of the distance of a 18t to engage the freehub. This is extremely helpful on tech climbing and the initial pedal coming out of turns or accelerating.

The upgrade is very easy, pull off the cassette and free hub (no tools needed) pull out the star ratchet and springs, clean with towel, apply new grease (included with upgrade), drop in 54t ratchet, replace cassette and free hub.

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While I agree that it's probably a worthy upgrade, it is not what I would call cheap...or even relatively cheap, based on what you are getting for your crisp hundo (2 ratchets and a couple of springs).  I installed the 36T in my DT350 because of some rumblings about the 54T being less reliable.  Not that my 'fears' were/are warranted, they most likely are not... 10 degree engagement is just fine for me anyway. 
  
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Slothzilla wrote on 03/09/17 at 8:51pm:


While I agree that it's probably a worthy upgrade, it is not what I would call cheap...or even relatively cheap, based on what you are getting for your crisp hundo (2 ratchets and a couple of springs).  I installed the 36T in my DT350 because of some rumblings about the 54T being less reliable.  Not that my 'fears' were/are warranted, they most likely are not... 10 degree engagement is just fine for me anyway. 


Mine have been bombproof, it was just on the cheaper side vs other upgrades like suspension or a wheel build to help the OP's upgrade-itis
  
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