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03/22/17 at 4:07pm
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We need help! We are really good at trail building and we can always use more trail workers but there are all kinds of other ways you can get involved that have nothing to do with trail building. Here are a few:

Fundraising
They say money won’t make you happy but it sure does solve a lot of problems. We could do a lot more if we had more money. We need someone who is interested in fundraising…even better would be more than one person so we could have a fundraising committee. I know there is money to be had out there but we have never been very successful in going after it. We need people who are good with people, like asking for money and can promote a positive message in a way that will convince companies that it’s a good idea to give us money.

Marketing
We need more stuff with our name and logo on it. We could make a little money off selling stuff and money is cool but really it’s more about getting our name out there and being more visible. And it’s also just fun to have cool accessories with our name on it. I have a source for stickers and business cards now and am working on that but really I’m kind of flailing around and don’t really know what I am doing. I would like to have a broader range of merchandise…posters, signs, pint glasses, hats, car accessories, whatever, so it would be great to have a couple of people take the lead on this. Maybe form a marketing/merchandizing committee.

Volunteer coordinator
We really try to thank our volunteers and recognize the awesome people that you guys are…really thank you all for what you do….but really at the end of the day we fail to adequately recruit, organize, thank and recognize our volunteers. I would like to have a dedicated volunteer coordinator who could take the lead on getting the word out for upcoming events, how many volunteers are needed, where they need to go, what type of help is needed, etc. Again more than one person would be cool too.

Membership coordinator
We need more members. Charlotte is a big city. We are hovering somewhere around 320 members or something like that. I know there are more people than that out there riding their bikes. We need to convince those people that it makes sense to officially join. We make a little money of memberships and again money is cool but really this one is not about the money. Having a larger membership base means more power and influence when we approach land managers for access or when we approach companies for money or apply for grants. It is significant when we can say we represent 320 members of the riding community….think of how much more significant it would be if we could say we represent 500 people; 1000 people. We can say “hey XYZ company, you should give us money because all these members will like you if you do”. 


 
So if you think you might be interested in any of the above please let me know…..president@tarheeltrailblazers.com….or you can just post here. Even if you just think you might be able to help but aren’t really sure and want to talk about it…let me know. We can talk about it and you can decide later. Just because you raise your hand doesn’t mean you are committed (really it doesn’t, all kidding aside). You can be as involved or not as you want to be and as your time allows. A lot of this kind of stuff can be done from home at any time of the day or night. Heck if you raise your hand, I might even give you a Hello Kitty sticker. 


Thanks for reading....and thank you to everyone for everything you do!

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Reply #1 - 03/22/17 at 5:43pm
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Just a thought...
We do have some bike shop owners & reps on the forum. Maybe, as a fundraiser, they can donate merchandise or a gift card, etc. Then these items can be raffled or auctioned off with the proceeds going to the cause.
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Wow, the 'Fisher Farm green loop' thread had a page of responses by 8:30am the following day; the thread with the sole purpose of making your MTB life better is getting no love...

Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to commit a whole lot of time to the club, but I'm happy to contribute where I can.  As someone who has regularly enjoyed the trails for the last 8-9 months, the least I can do is to help fund some of projects undertaken by the club.  Perhaps others will follow my lead:

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) -> If you would like to make a direct financial contribution to the Trailblazers, click on the Donation button. 100% of your contribution will go to the Trailblazers.

The Tarheel Trailblazers (THTB) are a non-profit organization, recognized as tax exempt in October 1997.


If you've made a tax deductible donation to THTB, quote the link above, and reply -  it will encourage others!

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pokyman wrote on 03/23/17 at 12:55pm:
Wow, the 'Fisher Farm green loop' thread had a page of responses by 8:30am the following day; the thread with the sole purpose of making your MTB life better is getting no love...

Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to commit a whole lot of time to the club, but I'm happy to contribute where I can.  As someone who has regularly enjoyed the trails for the last 8-9 months, the least I can do is to help fund some of projects undertaken by the club.  Perhaps others will follow my lead:

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) -> If you would like to make a direct financial contribution to the Trailblazers, click on the Donation button. 100% of your contribution will go to the Trailblazers.

The Tarheel Trailblazers (THTB) are a non-profit organization, recognized as tax exempt in October 1997.


If you've made a tax deductible donation to THTB, quote the link above, and reply -  it will encourage others!

Steve

Thanks for your support, Steve!

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If you buy stuff using amazon smile they kick 0.5% of the purchase to the club.  Not a ton of money but it helps.

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If we had some moderately priced t-shirts, $10-15, I'd pick up several.
  
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Seems like we get significantly more traffic on our FB page. Perhaps we could package this info in an attractive/eye catching manner and post it there? 


Yes, I am volunteering to do this.
  
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I should also point out a 2 discrepancies with the 'Store' link above ( (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)), which I found when searching for the 'donation' button:
  • Slight disparity on the prices in the store vs. the prices on PayPal (on both jersey & mens tee)
  • spelling - Mens Tech Tees, not Tess

I figured I could also make a contribution in the Marketing area, by getting the THTB logo on more stuff (specifically me).
  
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SirNotAppearing wrote on 03/23/17 at 2:22pm:
Seems like we get significantly more traffic on our FB page. Perhaps we could package this info in an attractive/eye catching manner and post it there? 


Yes, I am volunteering to do this.


Thanks Bryan! I thought to do that but had not found the time. Hello Kitty sticker for you!

Thanks everyone else for the support as well. 
  
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In the spirit of recruiting, has there ever been any thought in to setting up a tent for a couple of hours at one of the local trails on a Saturday to try and promote the club?  Kinda like is done at a trade show?  The percentage of people who ride the trails and have absolutely no clue the THTB exists is probably pretty high.  Also, do we have any flyers or literature to hand out?  If so, would any of the local shops be willing to have them on the counter and/or give them out when they sell a bike?  I'm just brainstorming, but maybe those ideas could help spread the word.
  
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Yes setting up the tent has been considered. We have two official club tents with our logo on them. We also have brochures to hand out, stickers,  tech T's, hoodies that could be marketed there as well. What we need are people willing to set up the tent and spend a few hours on a weekend morning spreading news about the chapter. If anyone is interested in helping with this...president@tarheeltrailblazers.com or post here. 

Likewise brochures at the bike shops. Some shops have them, some don't. If anyone is interested in driving around to the various bike shops I can get you brochures to take. President@tarheeltrailblazers.com or you can post here.
  
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Also, if anyone is interesting in helping sell jerseys, tech tees and hoodies I have most of that here at the shop.  I also have a box of the brochures if someone wants to grab them and distribute to other local shops.  I know REI has them, I have them and NC Velo has them.  Not sure about Cool Breeze/Trek Stores, Spirited Cyclist, First Flight, Live It Xtreme or Blood, Sweat and Gears.

Also one of the tents is at Fisher Farm Park.
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The Cycle Path wrote on 03/24/17 at 1:24pm:
Also, if anyone is interesting in helping sell jerseys, tech tees and hoodies I have most of that here at the shop.  I also have a box of the brochures if someone wants to grab them and distribute to other local shops.  I know REI has them, I have them and NC Velo has them.  Not sure about Cool Breeze/Trek Stores, Spirited Cyclist, First Flight, Live It Xtreme or Blood, Sweat and Gears.

Also one of the tents is at Fisher Farm Park.



I'd be down for that. We can talk about it Sunday
  
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I'd be willing to spend a couple hours at a tent some day.  Would be a good opportunity to help spread the word and I could also try and sell some of the gear if that seems like a good idea.
  
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I'd be willing to spend a couple hours at a tent some day.  Would be a good opportunity to help spread the word and I could also try and sell some of the gear if that seems like a good idea.



I think that's a good idea too. Can always go out for a ride when your stint at the tent is done!  Cool
  
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Once the greenway is complete in the PRP/BYT area i think it would be cool to put a tent out on the greenway between the two trails on a nice Saturday morning/afternoon with some tees/socks etc.., perhaps even pairing that with a bike shop with demo bikes.  I would volunteer to man the tent for such an occasion.  I also like what one of the other commenters said about capitalizing on the traffic through the FB page.  I'm no social media expert but i;m sure we have some folks in the club that have practical experience there.
  
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Great idea. Once that's all in place let's talk about that.
  
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A great place to set up would also be at any of the local races. CYCL is having one at RBP this Sunday (4/9).
  
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Why don't we use (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) to create Tarheel TrailBlazer Jersey to be sold online and in local shops? IMBA Italy uses them for their jersey, could be the same style ( (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)) with the TTB logo on it. People likes gadgets if cool. Also why not do an easy race open to anybody, not in a tough trail but in a simple environment like Mc Apline Creek. They have a very easy loop but it could be a way to have many people interested also not usual MTB aficionado. As a marketer i am sure you have quite a good mailing list, mailchimp could be used to create 4-5 newsletters a year.
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Ok, the fact that i did not knew about it does not mean too much, but how many "me" are around? and frankly I do not find it appealing. The THB Logo that is present in the website is beautiful, in the jersey it almost disappear in the dark background and frankly I find not appealing that huge white light in the front with THB written with a different font from the logo font.
Of course this in MY PERSONAL opinion and count for one.
  
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BJE wrote on 04/04/17 at 3:55pm:
A great place to set up would also be at any of the local races. CYCL is having one at RBP this Sunday (4/9). 


What about a THTB series?  Or some type of lightly organized event outside the weekly rides even if it's not promoted / just for fun / just for members (maybe required member or required donation at each "race")?  Or would that be stepping on Neal's domain too much?  I'm just always surprised the amount of people even at races who have never heard of THTB. 

I don't know what would need to go into something like that so I may be way mispoken, but I do know there was a decent amount of people who participated in Greg's virtual ride series the first year.
  
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Ok, the fact that i did not knew about it does not mean too much, but how many "me" are around? and frankly I do not find it appealing. The THB Logo that is present in the website is beautiful, in the jersey it almost disappear in the dark background and frankly I find not appealing that huge white light in the front with THB written with a different font from the logo font.
Of course this in MY PERSONAL opinion and count for one.


I didn't know about it either - is there somewhere local that has them to be tried on?
  
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Sorry you don't like the Jerseys.  I'm not a fan of red myself but the majority won out.   

 
Do you think Time trials "races"  would be good?  No mass start, people come out to a trail, do a lap for a fee.  (Will take volunteers and organizers to pull this off. Will need to get permission from landowner, buy insurance, figure out the timing...)


The Cycle Path has some Jerseys but if you wanted, could try them at a Tuesday night ride if you let me know ahead of time.  Can even take a card payment with square. Same with Hoodies, and tech tees.


  
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Ok, the fact that i did not knew about it does not mean too much, but how many "me" are around? and frankly I do not find it appealing. The THB Logo that is present in the website is beautiful, in the jersey it almost disappear in the dark background and frankly I find not appealing that huge white light in the front with THB written with a different font from the logo font.
Of course this in MY PERSONAL opinion and count for one.


On that jersey we decided to do something different for our 25th anniversary.  That and the previous jersey were both done by Primal which out of the past 16 years worth of jerseys fit the best, IMHO. Smiley

BTW I can post pictures of all but the very first club jersey if you'd like to see them.  I have them all in my closet but the OG one. Wink
  
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Sorry you don't like the Jerseys.  I'm not a fan of red myself but the majority won out.  

 
Do you think Time trials "races"  would be good?  No mass start, people come out to a trail, do a lap for a fee.  (Will take volunteers and organizers to pull this off. Will need to get permission from landowner, buy insurance, figure out the timing...)


The Cycle Path has some Jerseys but if you wanted, could try them at a Tuesday night ride if you let me know ahead of time.  Can even take a card payment with square. Same with Hoodies, and tech tees.




Ok - I may be in Davidson in the next week or two so I may drop by Mark's... I usually prefer regular polyester type shirts / club fit type of jerseys but they rarely have back pockets.

I personally wouldn't mind time trials - at least to the point of where there are a good people wanting to do it.  There would still need to be some categories and placement as that's what makes it appealing... once again IMO
  
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Do you think Time trials "races"  would be good?  No mass start, people come out to a trail, do a lap for a fee.  (Will take volunteers and organizers to pull this off. Will need to get permission from landowner, buy insurance, figure out the timing...)




Could be fun and cool
  
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I think time trials / social races both would bring people out as far as gaining membership and spreading word.  I'm not sure that charging enough to make it a source of revenue would be a good idea as if you start charging enough to make it worth it people will want too much from it.   

I envision a super laid back social race/TT with a low entrace fee (or free for members) with no medals or anything (maybe a weekly standings similar to the virtual race Greg set up).  Who knows - at some point there may be enough interest and participants for local businesses to donate stuff (even non bike related).
  
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On that jersey we decided to do something different for our 25th anniversary.  That and the previous jersey were both done by Primal which out of the past 16 years worth of jerseys fit the best, IMHO. Smiley

BTW I can post pictures of all but the very first club jersey if you'd like to see them.  I have them all in my closet but the OG one. Wink


Do it! Would love to see past designs. Laid back social race would also be fun, I wouldnt mind doing a relay or team race as well. 
  
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Reply #29 - 04/21/17 at 10:36pm
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Time Trials would be a great way to make some money for the club but moreso to increase membership. We need and can get TT event insurance  - but the insurance only covers club members. Thus anyone wanting to participate must be a member or join.

The use of TTs has helped several other clubs in the Southeast increase membership. Like any event, it takes some time and work to pull together, but its very doable and could pay great benefits in garnering new members.
  
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What about having a bike clinic on stuff like form, proper riding technique, how to manual, bunny hop, bike repair. 
  
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Advocat wrote on 04/21/17 at 10:36pm:
Time Trials would be a great way to make some money for the club but moreso to increase membership. We need and can get TT event insurance  - but the insurance only covers club members. Thus anyone wanting to participate must be a member or join.

The use of TTs has helped several other clubs in the Southeast increase membership. Like any event, it takes some time and work to pull together, but its very doable and could pay great benefits in garnering new members.



I think you have it right there (increased membership) - weekly TT "races" but you must be a member so the insurance covers you.
  
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I'm new here but wouldn't a slalom race be way more fun and more mountian bike oriented than tt? I'd be out for a slalom race for sure
  
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Reply #33 - 04/24/17 at 6:10pm
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FMWilly wrote on 04/22/17 at 1:39am:
What about having a bike clinic on stuff like form, proper riding technique, how to manual, bunny hop, bike repair. 


I'm not trying to hijack the thread here but as someone who is new to the mountain bike community, I would definitely attend a skills clinic. Could be a good opportunity to engage new riders and recruit members for the club.

  
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All good thoughts everyone. We are looking into time trail races and the like but we have to get the insurance details figured out first so look for those in the future. 

Skills clinics also a little tricky since technically we would need to have certified instructors to teach to be able to call them skills clinics.
  
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Skills clinics also a little tricky since technically we would need to have certified instructors to teach to be able to call them skills clinics.


lol, well lets call them something else then! No need to pay or get a certified instructor when there's plenty of experienced members who can do the same thing. 
  
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Skills clinics also a little tricky since technically we would need to have certified instructors to teach to be able to call them skills clinics.


I know a certified instructor who lives in Mooresville  Wink   
  
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Advocat wrote on 04/21/17 at 10:36pm:
Time Trials would be a great way to make some money for the club but moreso to increase membership. We need and can get TT event insurance  - but the insurance only covers club members. Thus anyone wanting to participate must be a member or join.

The use of TTs has helped several other clubs in the Southeast increase membership. Like any event, it takes some time and work to pull together, but its very doable and could pay great benefits in garnering new members.


I think TT is a great idea, and  think about general public, not only enthusiast. These are already members. You want to get families and so on. So why not organize an easy circuit just for the fun of it. Could be the mc Alpine park, not at all  difficult but lot of space and easy to get to for everyone in town. There is a!So the space to have shops booth or club tent. If you need I know one of the managers at parks and recs and I can put you in touch with him.
  
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The Cycle Path wrote on 04/06/17 at 3:55pm:


On that jersey we decided to do something different for our 25th anniversary.  That and the previous jersey were both done by Primal which out of the past 16 years worth of jerseys fit the best, IMHO. Smiley

BTW I can post pictures of all but the very first club jersey if you'd like to see them.  I have them all in my closet but the OG one. Wink



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TrillWill wrote on 04/25/17 at 7:46pm:


I know a certified instructor who lives in Mooresville  Wink  


Maybe you should let said instructor know that there are a bunch of dudes here who would like to know how to ride bikes in more rad ways.  Cool
  
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I think TT is a great idea, and  think about general public, not only enthusiast. These are already members. You want to get families and so on. So why not organize an easy circuit just for the fun of it. Could be the mc Alpine park, not at all  difficult but lot of space and easy to get to for everyone in town. There is a!So the space to have shops booth or club tent. If you need I know one of the managers at parks and recs and I can put you in touch with him.



Are you talking about crit as in road?  If so I don't know if that's a good idea, no better way to get the mindset of biking isn't for you than to do a crit with a bunch of inexperienced riders.  I'm an OK rider and the idea of doing a road crit scares the crap out of me (not just because other riders, I don't trust myself!).   

I also think you'll find that appealing to general public will have a lot less return for membership.  Think of how many people ride a bike or have a bike in your neighborhood, or even rent bikes at wwc... now how many of them would care to be a member of a bike club?  Now I'm not saying there shouldn't be some appeal to these people as I am all for getting new people into the sport, but IMO there is a ton more people who look at it as "bike riding" instead of a "sport".

Now think about all the enthusiasts we have in CLT.  Not saying it needs to be a TT around all the black diamonds; but it does need to appeal more to a targeted audience.  In this case the targeted audience would be bikers who are engaged enough in it to consider joining a club.  There are > 5000 members of this forum but it sounds like less than 10% are members of the actual club.   

Full disclosure, I for one am not an official member, and I know most of my friends that are on these forums are not (I think the only people I know that are official members are the awesome peeps who put on the Tuesday rides), and I think that comes down to the fact I'm still fairly new to the sport and when I was told about this majestic place the answer I got when asking are you member ("no") and what's the benefit of being a member, I didn't hear something along the lines of, "they have awesome weekly TT, or skill clinics, etc, that you can attend if you're a member".  I get that there are shop discounts and stuff but I am a pretty simple person, I just want to ride my bike, meet people, attend events, and something like a TT would be something to push me to become official (especially considering the costs of the races/events around here).  I'm 100% the guy who will spend $100+ on cycling shoes or $30-40 to ride a bike event but won't spend over $10 for a meal after bike event.

As far as the jersey, I picked one up the other day and love the colors (IMO the red is darker on the picture than real life).  Look at one in person before you decide it's not for you.  I am also not the guy to buy expensive jerseys; IMO the jersey is priced very well considering its for a good cause (if any money is even made on the jersey)

Also - Mark time to put your jersey collection where your mouth is...  Grin
  
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Are you talking about crit as in road?  If so I don't know if that's a good idea, no better way to get the mindset of biking isn't for you than to do a crit with a bunch of inexperienced riders.  I'm an OK rider and the idea of doing a road crit scares the crap out of me (not just because other riders, I don't trust myself!).  

I also think you'll find that appealing to general public will have a lot less return for membership.  Think of how many people ride a bike or have a bike in your neighborhood, or even rent bikes at wwc... now how many of them would care to be a member of a bike club?  Now I'm not saying there shouldn't be some appeal to these people as I am all for getting new people into the sport, but IMO there is a ton more people who look at it as "bike riding" instead of a "sport".

Now think about all the enthusiasts we have in CLT.  Not saying it needs to be a TT around all the black diamonds; but it does need to appeal more to a targeted audience.  In this case the targeted audience would be bikers who are engaged enough in it to consider joining a club.  There are > 5000 members of this forum but it sounds like less than 10% are members of the actual club.  

Full disclosure, I for one am not an official member, and I know most of my friends that are on these forums are not (I think the only people I know that are official members are the awesome peeps who put on the Tuesday rides), and I think that comes down to the fact I'm still fairly new to the sport and when I was told about this majestic place the answer I got when asking are you member ("no") and what's the benefit of being a member, I didn't hear something along the lines of, "they have awesome weekly TT, or skill clinics, etc, that you can attend if you're a member".  I get that there are shop discounts and stuff but I am a pretty simple person, I just want to ride my bike, meet people, attend events, and something like a TT would be something to push me to become official (especially considering the costs of the races/events around here).  I'm 100% the guy who will spend $100+ on cycling shoes or $30-40 to ride a bike event but won't spend over $10 for a meal after bike event.

As far as the jersey, I picked one up the other day and love the colors (IMO the red is darker on the picture than real life).  Look at one in person before you decide it's not for you.  I am also not the guy to buy expensive jerseys; IMO the jersey is priced very well considering its for a good cause (if any money is even made on the jersey)

Also - Mark time to put your jersey collection where your mouth is...  Grin


The Targeted Audience is already a member, or at least a follower. So let me ask you why you and your friends do not become IMBA and Trailblazer members? Your reply could be interesting to understand how to increase the membership within the targeted community. For example I am a member but I do not go on rides etc. but i wanted to give my share to the peeps who work to keep the trails open. I hope is enough, but i cannot give time since i am already active in some other associations. So is there a message, more than anything else, that would make you become a member? 
Maybe the Trailblazer should just follow NPR fundraising steps, showing what they do for all the bikers and asking for a pledge.
  
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As far as the jersey, I picked one up the other day and love the colors (IMO the red is darker on the picture than real life).  Look at one in person before you decide it's not for you.  I am also not the guy to buy expensive jerseys; IMO the jersey is priced very well considering its for a good cause (if any money is even made on the jersey)

Also - Mark time to put your jersey collection where your mouth is...  Grin


Unfortunately in today's merchandising marketing the first step is to make things appealing for the online user, and this jersey is not appealing to me!! That's it!

  
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The Targeted Audience is already a member, or at least a follower. So let me ask you why you and your friends do not become IMBA and Trailblazer members? Your reply could be interesting to understand how to increase the membership within the targeted community. For example I am a member but I do not go on rides etc. but i wanted to give my share to the peeps who work to keep the trails open. I hope is enough, but i cannot give time since i am already active in some other associations. So is there a message, more than anything else, that would make you become a member? 
Maybe the Trailblazer should just follow NPR fundraising steps, showing what they do for all the bikers and asking for a pledge.




Sure I'll share some thought; and I think a lot of people probably think similar but don't want to get flamed for speaking out.  I have only been riding bikes for a little over 2 years so a lot of it may just be me being uneducated about the club part of the forum so please educate me if I'm missing something. 

Let me preface this by saying I support and defend this club as I think it's got some really great people and would NEVER try to discourage people from joining.  I guess the problem is if I encourage people to join and they ask me why, I am going to be like my buddies and be silent.

Activities and benefits mostly; honestly as silly as it may sound, something simple like the TT, or a weekend ride would be enough to justify myself becoming a member.  The way I see it now it's more of a contribution than a membership, I just don't see the difference in being a member and a follower (someone that's a member of the forum is how I'm addressing the term follower).  I have attended events in the past solely because they benefited the club, and I would purchase swag to benefit the club as a way to show my monetary support, but I don't see a benefit of becoming a "member" (outside of monetarily supporting the club; but seeing as they only get 40% of that - even then that's difficult to use that as a reason).   

It's really the same with other fund raising if you think about it; sure everyone agrees it's a GREAT cause; but without a 5k, bake sale, raffle, tshirt/swag there just isn't as many people who participate.   

Also, this comes back to Emily's original post, I truly believe there is more concern in gaining members (and not their money), I am just throwing out ideas.

  
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Sure I'll share some thought; and I think a lot of people probably think similar but don't want to get flamed for speaking out.  I have only been riding bikes for a little over 2 years so a lot of it may just be me being uneducated about the club part of the forum so please educate me if I'm missing something. 

Let me preface this by saying I support and defend this club as I think it's got some really great people and would NEVER try to discourage people from joining.  I guess the problem is if I encourage people to join and they ask me why, I am going to be like my buddies and be silent.

Activities and benefits mostly; honestly as silly as it may sound, something simple like the TT, or a weekend ride would be enough to justify myself becoming a member.  The way I see it now it's more of a contribution than a membership, I just don't see the difference in being a member and a follower (someone that's a member of the forum is how I'm addressing the term follower).  I have attended events in the past solely because they benefited the club, and I would purchase swag to benefit the club as a way to show my monetary support, but I don't see a benefit of becoming a "member" (outside of monetarily supporting the club; but seeing as they only get 40% of that - even then that's difficult to use that as a reason).  

It's really the same with other fund raising if you think about it; sure everyone agrees it's a GREAT cause; but without a 5k, bake sale, raffle, tshirt/swag there just isn't as many people who participate.  

Also, this comes back to Emily's original post, I truly believe there is more concern in gaining members (and not their money), I am just throwing out ideas.



Membership is power. Power to approach land managers not only locally but at a state and federal level to obtain and keep access to public land. There is a huge push in the current congress to sell or transfer public land to the states for easier disposal for business. To paraphrase the NRA "Congress wants to get your trails".
Membership also provides under the general liability policy some protection for the club for the 
Power to partner with existing land use agreements for maintenance of the over 120 miles of trail in the CLT area. 

The IMBA/SORBA/THTB dues are split. The IMBA insurance program covers people who are doing the trail work. The land managers requires it. When we were on our own several years ago the rate increase would have eaten all of our dues and then some. That is just for a general liability policy. Partnering with IMBA/SORBA allowed us to keep the dues reasonable and still provide trail work. 
The remainder we keep helps to provide insurance and maintenance for our sizeable amount of equipment; A mini excavator: two small skid loaders, a 4 wheeler, a trailer, chainsaws, hand tools, leaf blowers, and much more. 
Membership also provides under the general liability policy some protection for the club for the few events we do have. That is why the sign up sheets should be used for the rides and work days. 

As far as hosting races that is a whole new set of problems. We can with our existing insurance hold a time trial event. I don't claim to understand the difference between a time trial and a race in that aspect. 
To buy a separate policy to cover a race or skills clinics is very expensive. We also have to have some equipment to measure the event. We have left that to Neal Boyd who makes his living doing just that. 
To present skills clinics we need to have in addition to the insurance, certified instructor(s) to meet the insurance requirements again an expense. To have an instructor certified to teach something more than a ride leader involves several multi day classes and a cost of over a grand by the time all is said and done. Then there are continuing courses to maintain the certification. 
The land managers who own or manage the trails demand the coverage to mitigate their liability.

Oh, and this web site costs us too.



While I appreciate the input and what participation I want to ask sCvHeaVens and others; You're getting the milk, can you help us buy the cow? You spend more than the $30 in dues on bike parts every year.
  
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While I appreciate the input and what participation I want to ask sCvHeaVens and others; You're getting the milk, can you help us buy the cow? You spend more than the $30 in dues on bike parts every year.



I do agree with you, the fees helps a lot even if only the 40% is given to the club. Selling goods I do not know if we could get a 40% margin. 

Anyway as I said I cannot be too active within the organization (meetings)as I have other organizations I work with already, but you can run ideas with me and if you want you can message me in private.

  
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While I appreciate the input and what participation I want to ask sCvHeaVens and others; You're getting the milk, can you help us buy the cow? You spend more than the $30 in dues on bike parts every year.



Tom - this goes back to my statement about it being a donation... its not about the money for me either; the question I was replying to was how to gain more members or make it more appealing to become a member.
  
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I do agree with you, the fees helps a lot even if only the 40% is given to the club. Selling goods I do not know if we could get a 40% margin. 

Anyway as I said I cannot be too active within the organization (meetings)as I have other organizations I work with already, but you can run ideas with me and if you want you can message me in private.



You don't think there is potential to make more than 3-4000 a year from selling goods?  Or is my math that bad?
  
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You don't think there is potential to make more than 3-4000 a year from selling goods?  Or is my math that bad?


I do not know how you base your forecast to project 3-4000  in sales per year, 4000 a year for 50 average sale is 80 sales a year, a little bit more than the double (if we give a 40% markup) if you were talking about net profit. This is a very low number.
I do not have the club budget and figures but from what I see they have a lot of expenses, and that is why they try to cash in also with membership, I do not think 3-4000 is a lot to maintain all the tracks, and everything else, frankly. 
I also think that it is true that there might not be a "visible" benefit to be member (sorry i reply to your statement) but try to look from my point of view. I like to go and have a trail taken care or updated, and the yearly fee to me is nothing for this benefit. I wish all was going in their pockets but now we know that there is an insurance paid by IMBA, which is a great benefit. Think about it and become a member!
  
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Tom, is there a way to make non member pay to use the the trails? I know i am pissing off many people now but some parks have fees, so why not the various trails that you maintain? 
  
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Tom, is there a way to make non member pay to use the the trails? I know i am pissing off many people now but some parks have fees, so why not the various trails that you maintain? 

  We (The Club) do not own the trails. The land manager can charge a fee but that is unlikely especially in municipal parks. We have memorandums of understanding which is basically a contract to provide so many hours per year for maintenance on each trail. To answer your question, no. 

Some trails get more love than others. For example Beatty gets a lot of love because of where it is in CLT. Lake Norman State Park gets a lot of use but few volunteers to work. This is because of the distance. We cannot put a donation box there. Uwharrie is another example. It is managed by the USFS. 

And you are not pissing me off. I have been a THTB member since 2005 or 2006 after moving here from out west. Was involved with trails and advocacy in a couple places there. Took up MTB in 1993 or 94. 
What hair I have left is grey and I don't know how much longer I can ride or do trail work. My point is to keep the wonderful resources we have here and across the country new blood needs to come on board full of questions and ambition and willing to pick up where us old farts left off. Some of the club founders have passed the torch and gone their way. 
To pick up the shovel and McCleod you gotta ask questions to keep from re inventing the wheel. 
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Tom F wrote on 04/27/17 at 7:04pm:


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Tom I have also reached an age where it is tough to work physically. I came from Italy few years ago, a place where we had almost no support at any level. The good thing there that a lot of the trails are pre-existing, thanks to country people that created unpaved tracks, trekkers and former military trails and roads. Now the IMBA is flourishing also there and more modern tracks and bike park have been built.
I ask questions to see if I can give ideas or push others to come out with better ones. 
So another one, what about building a real bike park where members pay less than non members? What about getting in touch with a small town in the outskirts of Charlotte that has land to give. I know here land is $$$ and people prefer to keep it and sell when the right offer is made, but municipalities with little to no "fun factor" to offer to residents don't you think that they could be interested? I understand that you get a 1000 no before a yes, but have you tried this route?
  
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Reply #52 - 04/28/17 at 2:41pm
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As is noted, donations, memberships all help the club. I think we've done incredible things to the area for not only ourselves but others who enjoy the work we put in on trails.

The work done by the board and various other members to work with land managers etc... is time consuming on a personal level. I'm not sure but other states (see link for Arkansas) - (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links); use tourism as a vehicle for more trails, more help, more money. That isn't to say that THTB haven't done this or are pursuing it - Tom any thoughts on this...?

The more we help physically on the trails, donations, memberships the more we all get back. I've been here as a member since 2012, don't get to attend many meetings but proudly renew each year knowing the club gets some of it.
  
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Another idea, connected to "building" a bike park. Have you ever thought to use crowdfunding? Or getting a grant with a municipality via (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) I know these two are labor intensive as preparation of documents etc. But could be an Idea that i presume you have already evaluated.
  
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Reply #54 - 04/28/17 at 6:36pm
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Slo-Moshun wrote on 04/28/17 at 2:41pm:


I've been here as a member since 2012, don't get to attend many meetings but proudly renew each year knowing the club gets some of it.


Thank you for that man!   

BTW, we just crested 400 members this month Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Even if you don't have time to give, the memberships and donations really help.  We need $$$ to keep our 4 machines running right, tools in the hands of the right people, and to jump start our new trail projects!  We've got quite a few in development right now.


  
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Tom, is there a way to make non member pay to use the the trails? I know i am pissing off many people now but some parks have fees, so why not the various trails that you maintain? 



So the question is asked how to get more official members and it not being about the money, comments are made from a non member for suggestions, and your reply is how can we MAKE non members pay to use the trails.  Are you suggesting making people walking the trails pay as well? 

A kiosk with DONATIONS sounds great, and I'm all for donating to a good cause such as keeping equipment up and running for trail maintenance but it's still not addressing the difference between being a "member" and donating to the club.   

Regarding the spending more than $30 a year on bike parts - if you think of it like that; there are a lot of memberships out there for far less than $30 a year that I also don't join as they don't say to me - hey that's super appealing let me hop on there right now and join that membership.

The comment about $3-4000 was in reference to money brought in per year from membership dues ($30 x 40% = $12 x ~400 ppl).  Yes, I believe you can get more than $12 per year from people by other methods such as swag selling... there is no way I'm in the minority with me being "all for drinking the milk for free", but I still feel compelled to buy a swag or attend events for what I thought was supporting the club in my own way.

I really thought this was about gaining memberships but I can see that it's started a fire so I'm done with it; apologies if I've p!ssed anyone off, it was supposed to be constructive.

  
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TrillWill wrote on 04/28/17 at 6:36pm:



BTW, we just crested 400 members this month Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy





Awesome! Lets crest 500 next!  Still in amazement of the # of  trails this club has created and maintain!
  
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I really thought this was about gaining memberships but I can see that it's started a fire so I'm done with it; apologies if I've p!ssed anyone off, it was supposed to be constructive.



Noone is pissed!!!  Grin
  
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So the question is asked how to get more official members and it not being about the money, comments are made from a non member for suggestions, and your reply is how can we MAKE non members pay to use the trails.  Are you suggesting making people walking the trails pay as well? 

A kiosk with DONATIONS sounds great, and I'm all for donating to a good cause such as keeping equipment up and running for trail maintenance but it's still not addressing the difference between being a "member" and donating to the club.  

Regarding the spending more than $30 a year on bike parts - if you think of it like that; there are a lot of memberships out there for far less than $30 a year that I also don't join as they don't say to me - hey that's super appealing let me hop on there right now and join that membership.

The comment about $3-4000 was in reference to money brought in per year from membership dues ($30 x 40% = $12 x ~400 ppl).  Yes, I believe you can get more than $12 per year from people by other methods such as swag selling... there is no way I'm in the minority with me being "all for drinking the milk for free", but I still feel compelled to buy a swag or attend events for what I thought was supporting the club in my own way.

I really thought this was about gaining memberships but I can see that it's started a fire so I'm done with it; apologies if I've p!ssed anyone off, it was supposed to be constructive.



I'm a member, I do trail maintenance whenever I get sone time and.i buy parts occasionally. You are a person who pisses me off. You post about buying a bunch of parts and complain about being a "member". You know why attitudes get thrown around from any voluntary organization because a small percentage keep it going and a large percentage complain and don't contribute time or money. I've had enough. Are you kidding me with your banter?!  Move a stick on your next ride or contribute 30 bucks your call!
  
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I think people get hung up on the word "membership".  This club wouldn't have been able to build all that sweet trail everyone gets to ride without membership dues, donations and grants we've received over the years.  Some people can't help with the actual trail work so they donate.  I've seen donations anywhere from $100-$2000 from individuals and even had some folks just walk up and give me $100 cash for the club.

To me personally when people balk at giving back to the trails it gives me a vibe of ungratefulness.  We had 4 club trails and one private trail back in 2002.  We now have triple that in trail systems and 4-5 times that in actual trail mileage with more coming on line every year.  Many folks don't realize how far we've come and how good they have it.

WE NEED EVERY TRAIL USERS' HELP. IT TAKES EVERYONE OF US PITCHING IN TO KEEP THIS WONDERFUL RESOURCE WE HAVE.

That's all I've got for now.  Smiley

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I'm a member, I do trail maintenance whenever I get sone time and.i buy parts occasionally. You are a person who pisses me off. You post about buying a bunch of parts and complain about being a "member". You know why attitudes get thrown around from any voluntary organization because a small percentage keep it going and a large percentage complain and don't contribute time or money. I've had enough. Are you kidding me with your banter?!  Move a stick on your next ride or contribute 30 bucks your call!
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You contributing $30 for a membership does not give you a right to tell people what they should or shouldn't do.  How would you feel if someone who gave a large monetary donation told you that you need to spend more time working on the trails?   

Mark, no one is balking at giving back to the trails... this whole thing has been in reply to Emily's post about gaining more members, I was trying to explain and give examples / opinions from someone who would rather make a donation, buy swag, or help the club in other ways than join as a member.
  
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Just wanted to chime in here because I feel like this post has taken a turn towards membership specifically and that's really not what this post was originally about. The intent of the post was to get the word out about all the different needs that the chapter has and point out all the different ways in which you can get involved. If you want to be a member that is awesome and certainly very much appreciated but if you don't want to be a member for whatever reason that is OK too. You don't have to be a member. That's not what this post was about. This post is about engagement. Its about getting more people actively engaged. 

Membership is one of the ways that you can engage but it's not the only one. You can show your support for the chapter in any number of different ways and any and all support is appreciated in whatever form you chose to give it. Maybe you want to be a member, maybe you want to make a donation, maybe you want to do trail work, maybe you want to show up at our events and have a fun time, maybe you want to say nice things about us to your friends and on social media, maybe you want to help with some of the areas I originally posted about......whatever you feel comfortable with and whatever you are able to do. We appreciate the support. I appreciate you and so does the rest of the board.
  
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I remember a club trip last fall that looked kinda hip. Said you had to be a member(which I am). Turned out I couldn't go. But if a simular trip came up this fall, I would definitely do it. So I'll keep my membership
  
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This sounds silly, but why not make the forum only open to member? Non members can get trail status, club news, beginners corner, and workday sections only. Members get access to everything else. This is how many other organizations structure their online forums.
  
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Wears my bike wrote on 05/01/17 at 11:11am:
This sounds silly, but why not make the forum only open to member? Non members can get trail status, club news, beginners corner, and workday sections only. Members get access to everything else. This is how many other organizations structure their online forums.


I do not think it is silly I wonder if the website template allows it.
  
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Wears my bike wrote on 05/01/17 at 11:11am:
This sounds silly, but why not make the forum only open to member? Non members can get trail status, club news, beginners corner, and workday sections only. Members get access to everything else. This is how many other organizations structure their online forums.


I also think this is a good idea... especially Marketplace.
  
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Wears my bike wrote on 05/01/17 at 11:11am:
This sounds silly, but why not make the forum only open to member? Non members can get trail status, club news, beginners corner, and workday sections only. Members get access to everything else. This is how many other organizations structure their online forums.


I agree. This would help slow down the trolling.
  
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I agree. This would help slow down the trolling.


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We as a club board have actually discussed this on many occasions over the past 15 years. Some for, some against.  I think in the end, even though a private forum sounds desirable, the club is better served by keeping it open to the public.
  
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First off I would like to thank all of you who make our incredible network of trails possible. We are truly blessed to have such a diverse and well maintained system of trails. Your efforts are appreciated and recognized. 

I have been reading this thread and earlier noted some discussions about the club hosting time trials or races.  Think this could be an interesting option to get people involved especially if targeted towards beginners and kids. I know there are several very well run events in the area - I.E. The Charlotte Summer Series - but having participated in a few I've noticed that these tend to be pretty intense and would probabally discourage a new rider. I think that a well run low intensity event or two in the course of the year could be a great opportunity to draw new folks into the sport in general and the Club in particular.  In fact it would be a logical feeder to the more advanced racing and riding opportunities we currently enjoy. A good example of this would be the "fun-Enduro" event just held at Tuckfest but targeted to a beginner or intermediate rider level. 

Another opportunity to get Club members together might be to have some of the better riders put on some clinics at their local trail on some of the more difficult sections. I do an ok job getting around the technical stuff but I know there are better ways to get through any given section of trails and would love the opportunity to share ideas on different lines and techniques with other members. Events could rotate to various trails throughout the year and would give riders an opportunity to try new trails too. 

I was also wondering if we can get more involved in the Cyclo Fest event over at the WWC. I took a buddy of mine to last years event and it really got him excited about riding. Unsure how that would work but it's a very high class event that would be good to be associated with. 

I know the issue of insurance has been raised as a barrier to some of these types of ideas but is their a way that we can think outside the box regarding that? I think US Cycling has event related insurance programs. Maybe we could utilize that as a source of coverage. Or how about reaching out to the various Parks and Rec departments and having them nominally in charge of the event with the Club as a sub contractor supplying the labor?  Not sure if that would transfer the liability but it might be something to consider. 

Hope I haven't run on too long here but I think it's an interesting topic and got me thinking. To sum it up I think our challenge in developing our membership will be to find ways to take what is generally a individualistic sport and find ways to package the experience in a way that we can enjoy it as a group.  
  
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Reply #70 - 05/02/17 at 7:33pm
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FYI, Trailblazers monthly meeting is this Thursday at 7:30pm at D9 brewing in Cornelius 11138 Treynorth Dr, Cornelius, NC 28031.  There will be a food truck on site if you'd like to eat dinner at the meeting, we've got a private room reserved at the brewery.

Pre-ride at North Meck Park from 6-7, rolling at 6, meet at the pump track.  Chance of rain in the evening so we'll play it by ear for the ride.

It would be great to see all of the people participating in the thread at the meeting, just sayin'  Wink
  
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Emily, I'm new here but could potentially help with Marketing / Merchandising. Happy to talk if you still have a need. Jim - jimlozier@me.com
  
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Thanks for the offer to help. I'll definitely send you an email.  Smiley
  
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