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WTB: Flat bar & stem on the cheap.
03/31/17 at 12:18pm
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I'm looking to try a different bar and possibly a shorter stem combo on my Giant Talon. I have the stock bar on there now. I appears my current stem is approx. 90mm. I'm thinking maybe going to 70mm with the flatter bar. I live in Lincolnton & work in North Charlotte so a meet in one of these areas would be great. Here is a pic of the current setup. Also, advise on whether this is a good or bad idea from more experienced riders is always welcomed. Thanks for looking.
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Re: WTB: Flat bar & stem on the cheap.
Reply #1 - 03/31/17 at 1:10pm
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Your current stem has a rise to it, as do your bars. Going with a shorter stem and flat bars will drop your grip height quite a bit, especially if the new stem does not have rise built in. Not trying to tell you what you do or don't want. Just giving you some food for thought. 

Usually the trend is to go longer stem with flatter bar for more stretched out, forward weighted, XC race type setup; or shorter stem with riser bar for more of a back weighted and/or upright riding position that feels more comfortable and confident on descents. Shorter stem with flatter bar just seems an unusual combination of changes.

Another important measurement to consider when changing out handlebars is handlebar width.

What are your reasons for wanting to change the cockpit setup?
  
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Re: WTB: Flat bar & stem on the cheap.
Reply #2 - 03/31/17 at 1:26pm
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BudLeach wrote on 03/31/17 at 1:10pm:
Your current stem has a rise to it, as do your bars. Going with a shorter stem and flat bars will drop your grip height quite a bit, especially if the new stem does not have rise built in. Not trying to tell you what you do or don't want. Just giving you some food for thought. 

Usually the trend is to go longer stem with flatter bar for more stretched out, forward weighted, XC race type setup; or shorter stem with riser bar for more of a back weighted and/or upright riding position that feels more comfortable and confident on descents. Shorter stem with flatter bar just seems an unusual combination of changes.

Another important measurement to consider when changing out handlebars is handlebar width.

What are your reasons for wanting to change the cockpit setup?


Thanks. This is just the feedback I am looking for. Honestly,  I have an obsessive personality. I just can't leave well enough alone. My current setup is probably fine. I am not experiencing any real discomfort besides a bit of numbing in my hands on occasion. 
In my mind I was thinking the flatter bar with my current stem would lower my grip some but stretch me out too much. The shorter stem would bring me back in some. 
  
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Re: WTB: Flat bar & stem on the cheap.
Reply #3 - 03/31/17 at 1:49pm
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Unless you have a very specific setup/geometry in mind. It is probably best to change one thing at a time that way you can evaluate the effects better (scientific method). I have a riding buddy who tends to change every suspension setting all at once, just before our big rides in Pisgah...  Roll Eyes I would not recommend this approach.

I would recommend starting with the stem and going from there.
  
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Re: WTB: Flat bar & stem on the cheap.
Reply #4 - 03/31/17 at 2:03pm
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BudLeach wrote on 03/31/17 at 1:49pm:
Unless you have a very specific setup/geometry in mind. It is probably best to change one thing at a time that way you can evaluate the effects better (scientific method). I have a riding buddy who tends to change every suspension setting all at once, just before our big rides in Pisgah...  Roll Eyes I would not recommend this approach.

I would recommend starting with the stem and going from there.

Excellent. Thanks. I have to try to reign in some of my crazy impulsiveness.
  
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Re: WTB: Flat bar & stem on the cheap.
Reply #5 - 03/31/17 at 6:12pm
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Im doing similar and asking contributing questions in other posts.

Bud is spot on and as always a good contributer with his upright vs lay down approach.  Another good rule of thumb  / observation is the ratio of angle from seat height to bar height.  ie bars above, level or below seat level.  (thus affecting the severity of too much change.) Your going "double down" on changing both rather than one at a time and hence minimizing that severity you "might" see.  Not totally accurate, but looking at the pic seems as though your bars are possibly a little above your seat.  As you go down you will notice changes.

Bottom line, to support Bud, change one first, because you may immediately notice unwanted change before you go extreme.  And then there is the inverse you already noticed...  If its not broke, dont fix it! ;]

My scenario is I am more of a lay down XCr.  But Im building a new rig and its std build out components go for more of that extreme upright.

Trying to find local parts to "try" iterative to accomplish the same and try the recommended upright geometry the bike is designed with vs my usual and see if I like it better or worse.
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