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Reply #20 - 06/02/17 at 4:46pm
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exercise and weight loss: 

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Banjopickin wrote on 06/02/17 at 2:51pm:


Yeah thats a tough one...

Giving up food enjoyment for fitness enjoyment is a tricky balance. The good thing is you can always drink beer and eat crap after you get really fit. Once you're there its all about maintaining the fitness which is easier than increasing it. I drink barrels of craft beer and eat Bojangles at least once a week but I also ride 50+ miles a week on a mtn bike so its a good balance for me.

I hear it alot... "man I wish I was faster" or "Im so out of shape!" or whatever. 

At the end of the day you have to decide if you want to be fit and fast, or if your ok with being slow and out of shape. For many people the desire to eat cheeseburgers, drink beers with the boys, and sit around watching TV is more important than being good at bikes. 

Nothing wrong with that... You just gotta figure out your priorities.

even when I was considered fit, I was never fast. Something about being 6'3" and always being 200lbs+ I used to love to climb, now I dread it. There was a short period when I know I was drinking too much. But then I quit for a couple of months ,and now I only drink occasionally. I seem to crave that IPA taste, but one or two beers satisfies it . I like the new wave of juicy IPA's I can'r wait to try Highland's Hawaiian IPA. It's 8% abv. Thank god that session &^&^ is finally on the downturn
  
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Impaler 58 wrote on 05/30/17 at 4:44pm:
I was wondering how folks kept their fitness through the year. Do you just ride your bike? Or maybe some may do some weight lifting. I'm confused by all the studies out there. I remember when I first started riding, I dropped weight just by riding my bike. Now it's said that you should do weight training or intervals.


If you're just looking to stay fit year round, you should take up some weight lifting. There are major benefits to it.

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And maybe ride a little bit longer when you are out riding. Stretch that 60 minute ride to 90, etc. Its easier to extend a current ride than to get out a second time, I think. 

I've been doing the crossfit thing for 5 years. It works if done right. It has helped my riding: leg strength, core strength. But its not for everybody. Weights can be boring if you are just doing them on your own, thats why I like the crossfit. The programming is done for me, and its a group class. 




  
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drinking beer is part of CX, not sure why no one else gives it a try!
  
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Reply #24 - 06/16/17 at 4:16pm
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Impaler 58 wrote on 05/30/17 at 4:44pm:
I was wondering how folks kept their fitness through the year. Do you just ride your bike? Or maybe some may do some weight lifting. I'm confused by all the studies out there. I remember when I first started riding, I dropped weight just by riding my bike. Now it's said that you should do weight training or intervals.


I ride and cross train all year round. In the winter months I ride mostly my mountain bike. In the heat of summer I ride mostly my road bike. I run a few times a week and hit the gym 3-4 times a week.

I find weight lifting is extremely important, especially now that I'm approaching 50.

There is no substitute for time in the saddle.
You can't out exercise a bad diet.
  
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And yet some of the best riders I know get drunk/high as hell all the time,  eat cheap ass Mexican food the night before races and stay up way too late. Not sure how they do it but they do.  Cheesy Huh
  
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catsruletn wrote on 06/17/17 at 1:08pm:
And yet some of the best riders I know get drunk/high as hell all the time,  eat cheap ass Mexican food the night before races and stay up way too late. Not sure how they do it but they do.  Cheesy Huh


I've noticed this phenomenon myself. But then I wonder, if they are that good even with poor diets and lifestyle choices, what would the same riders be capable of if they made better choices and trained/ate/lived with more discipline?
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And here I don't do drugs and am not considered much of a partier. I've drank craft beer since it's first big inception in the early 90's. And even then it was after a bike ride that I led from a brewery. And I drank beer whenever I went to a concert. Another one of the things I like to do. I maybe do junk food maybe twice a month. I still like cycling, but not the long marathon sessions I once did. 5 - 10 miles is more my speed now. But when it comes to diet and working out, it always comes down to the beer. Different metabolism. And they tell me that the older I'm getting, my metabolism slows down, and beer is the casualty of my metabolism. So cutting down isn't helping much. What will I do after a ride in the mountains. Maybe go to the soda shop
  
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80% diet, 20% exercise.
  
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Reply #29 - 06/18/17 at 11:46am
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I wish I would hit that Plateau where it seems I'm losing weight. It just doesn't seem to go down. Very frustrating😕
  
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Round is a shape that I've been staying in for years!  RAMFB!!
  
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Reply #31 - 06/18/17 at 4:22pm
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Impaler 58 wrote on 06/17/17 at 3:17pm:
And here I don't do drugs and am not considered much of a partier. I've drank craft beer since it's first big inception in the early 90's. And even then it was after a bike ride that I led from a brewery. And I drank beer whenever I went to a concert. Another one of the things I like to do. I maybe do junk food maybe twice a month. I still like cycling, but not the long marathon sessions I once did. 5 - 10 miles is more my speed now. But when it comes to diet and working out, it always comes down to the beer. Different metabolism. And they tell me that the older I'm getting, my metabolism slows down, and beer is the casualty of my metabolism. So cutting down isn't helping much. What will I do after a ride in the mountains. Maybe go to the soda shop


How long is a 'marathon session'?

5-10 miles won't burn much off, regardless of age. 

Diet isn't nearly as important when you're just fueling your body, as in being a high level- professional athlete. You need to eat lots of everything. 

For the discussion at hand, diet is important as is riding a lot.
  
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Reply #32 - 06/18/17 at 5:48pm
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When I did road biking, I did 25-30 miles 3 times during the week, and 70-100 on both Saturday and Sunday. When I could get out Mountain biking, I did 12-20 on the trails. That was back in Michigan. The first few years I was here, I rode whatever trails were available at LNSP. Every couple of years ,they added more trails. Used to do a couple of laps of Fisher Farm & North Meck in 2006/07. When I started to have some health issues, the mileage went way down
  
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Impaler 58 wrote on 06/18/17 at 11:46am:
I wish I would hit that Plateau where it seems I'm losing weight. It just doesn't seem to go down. Very frustrating😕


Get off the carbs.
No sugary drinks or sweet fruit juices. Water, tea and black coffee are the drinks for you. No bread, refined grains, etc.. No chips, french fries and other starches. Sorry, but pizza and Subway doesn't make the cut by a long shot (only eat the toppings). Neither does oatmeal, cereal or pasta. Or pancakes, waffles, donuts or biscuits. Or nutrition bars (fake news). Whole grain is better than refined grain, but it still doesn't make the cut. Don't eat it. 
Eat vegetables, meat, nuts, eggs, etc... Cheese and butter are cool. Limit fruit and especially candy. 
If it comes in a box, don't eat it. 

If it says low carb, don't eat it. If it comes from wheat flour, don't eat it. If it doesn't grow and come in its natural state or come from an animal source, don't eat it. If the government or TV says to eat it, don't eat it. Beer? Nope sorry. Nothing more than fermented carbs. If you must, limit yourself to one.
Don't eat breakfast (handful of nuts or a piece of fruit if you can't stand it). The first meal of the day should be a sensible lunch, the last should be dinner. 
Watch the weight magically fall off your body.

You want eat out all the time, cool. Same rules. Don't eat the bread and don't eat the fries or refined carbs. Everything else is fair game. There's a reason why cheap restaurants and the food industry wants to feed you this stuff.. It's cheap junk nutritionally speaking, lasts forever on a warehouse shelf and they get to stuff more money in their pockets from peddling it. I admit, eating it is better than starving to death. But that aint you. Most of it is subsidized by the government. It's a win win for them. Unfortunately, you and your body lose.

You can also consider 24 hour fasts. To do this, once or twice a week, eat dinner, then don't eat again until the next night at dinner (liquids are fine, buillon, coffee, tea, etc..). But this shouldn't be necessary unless you've got serious health problems related to diet. A few teaspoons of trail mix or peanut or almond butter should address any momentary weakness you might have. If you like pickles or cucumbers with dijon mustard eat them with zero guilt.

mountainbiker90 makes a decent point. Some extreme athletes need lots of calories for building muscle. Especially body builders, football players. You're not one of these guys. And they're not getting these calories from sugar or refined carbs. They get them from real food. What is real food? It grows and is in its natural state or comes from an animal. And isn't made in a factory, or a laboratory with an ingredient list that looks like something from chemistry class.

Calories are generally not the problem. The problem is hormonal. Insulin especially. It's known as the fat storing hormone. You're body doesn't know the difference between a piece of pizza, a banana, a glass of orange juice, a 6" sub, french fries or a snickers bar. Nope sorry, pizza is not a vegetable. Your body treats all refined carbs and sugar the same. And it stores these calories as fat. You wont burn them unless you're an Ethiopian running a marathon everyday or lifting weights like Arnold (and trust me, he didn't eat it either). 

It's actually worse than that. Carb rich processed foods especially have little nutritional value. Therefore, if they are the primary source of your diet, your body will still be hungry, causing you to eat even more of it storing it as fat and getting very little nutrition from it. It's your bodies way of saying, hey guy, I'm dying here and you're not feeding me anything but junk. And you keep doing it.

It's very simple. You want to lose weight and especially fat, limit the carbs and eat real food. 

Buy a scale and weigh yourself daily. Once you get to the weight you like and you get your body off the carbs and sugar, you can have a cheat day occasionally.

You can thank me later.    Cool

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where do diet soda's fall in the mix?
  
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If you can imagine anything worse for you than sugar, it would be the ingredients in diet soda!
  
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Impaler 58 wrote on 06/19/17 at 12:35pm:
where do diet soda's fall in the mix?


I don't know that one man..
I think it's probably best avoided. But obviously it's not as bad as regular sugary soda, if you only drink one occasionally. But it's hard to know for sure from the ingredient list.

Look on the back of processed foods, including drinks, and look at the carbohydrate content. If it's over 5 or 10 grams of carbs per serving, limit the amount you consume or avoid it entirely.

Let me give you an example. If you look at the nutrition facts on the back of a pouch of mashed potato mix. It says 20 grams of carbs. That should be the upper limit of your carb intake for any one food. Most people eat the whole pouch. The problem is, there are 4 servings in one pouch, that's 80 grams of carbs from this one food. 

Most Americans consume 300-600 grams of carbs per day. It's a recipe for getting fat and type 2 diabetes. A healthy amount would be below 100 grams per day. So by eating the pouch of mashed potatoes, or fresh mashed potatoes in the same amount you're getting almost your entire amount of daily carbs from one food. A food that is notorious for lacking nutrition. You had might as well eat candy.

If you just have to have a sweet drink. I think it's probably better to get something that mixes into water, and uses splenda. You can find teas and other powdered stix or drop drink mixes at most stores. You add them to a bottled water. I like Arizona green tea stix. But I don't drink it all the time. For me it's mostly water, black coffee, unsweetened green tea or protein powder.

I mean, think about it this way. You're drinking this diet soda because you think it tastes good and you've been told it's better for you by the labeling, etc... But you're not doing anything positive for your body by drinking it instead of water, tea, etc... In fact you may be hurting it. You're just making some guy rich in some office somewhere. That's exactly what they want. At the expense of your health.

Fruit juices are bad news as well. You want to eat a piece of fruit? Fine, chase it with some water. But fruit juices are basically concentrated sugars with most of the good stuff removed. So, why are they so popular with the bottled drink industry. Because the stuff doesn't spoil like fruit, and has an almost indefinite shelf life, and most of them are only made from partial fruit with added ingredients. It's mostly better for them.


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It brings up the question about some liquor . Some are said to have zero carbs
  
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Get off the carbs.
No sugary drinks or sweet fruit juices. Water, tea and black coffee are the drinks for you. No bread, refined grains, etc.. No chips, french fries and other starches. Sorry, but pizza and Subway doesn't make the cut by a long shot (only eat the toppings). Neither does oatmeal, cereal or pasta. Or pancakes, waffles, donuts or biscuits. Or nutrition bars (fake news). Whole grain is better than refined grain, but it still doesn't make the cut. Don't eat it. 
Eat vegetables, meat, nuts, eggs, etc... Cheese and butter are cool. Limit fruit and especially candy. 
If it comes in a box, don't eat it. 

If it says low carb, don't eat it. If it comes from wheat flour, don't eat it. If it doesn't grow and come in its natural state or come from an animal source, don't eat it. If the government or TV says to eat it, don't eat it. Beer? Nope sorry. Nothing more than fermented carbs. If you must, limit yourself to one.
Don't eat breakfast (handful of nuts or a piece of fruit if you can't stand it). The first meal of the day should be a sensible lunch, the last should be dinner. 
Watch the weight magically fall off your body.

You want eat out all the time, cool. Same rules. Don't eat the bread and don't eat the fries or refined carbs. Everything else is fair game. There's a reason why cheap restaurants and the food industry wants to feed you this stuff.. It's cheap junk nutritionally speaking, lasts forever on a warehouse shelf and they get to stuff more money in their pockets from peddling it. I admit, eating it is better than starving to death. But that aint you. Most of it is subsidized by the government. It's a win win for them. Unfortunately, you and your body lose.

You can also consider 24 hour fasts. To do this, once or twice a week, eat dinner, then don't eat again until the next night at dinner (liquids are fine, buillon, coffee, tea, etc..). But this shouldn't be necessary unless you've got serious health problems related to diet. A few teaspoons of trail mix or peanut or almond butter should address any momentary weakness you might have. If you like pickles or cucumbers with dijon mustard eat them with zero guilt.

mountainbiker90 makes a decent point. Some extreme athletes need lots of calories for building muscle. Especially body builders, football players. You're not one of these guys. And they're not getting these calories from sugar or refined carbs. They get them from real food. What is real food? It grows and is in its natural state or comes from an animal. And isn't made in a factory, or a laboratory with an ingredient list that looks like something from chemistry class.

Calories are generally not the problem. The problem is hormonal. Insulin especially. It's known as the fat storing hormone. You're body doesn't know the difference between a piece of pizza, a banana, a glass of orange juice, a 6" sub, french fries or a snickers bar. Nope sorry, pizza is not a vegetable. Your body treats all refined carbs and sugar the same. And it stores these calories as fat. You wont burn them unless you're an Ethiopian running a marathon everyday or lifting weights like Arnold (and trust me, he didn't eat it either). 

It's actually worse than that. Carb rich processed foods especially have little nutritional value. Therefore, if they are the primary source of your diet, your body will still be hungry, causing you to eat even more of it storing it as fat and getting very little nutrition from it. It's your bodies way of saying, hey guy, I'm dying here and you're not feeding me anything but junk. And you keep doing it.

It's very simple. You want to lose weight and especially fat, limit the carbs and eat real food. 

Buy a scale and weigh yourself daily. Once you get to the weight you like and you get your body off the carbs and sugar, you can have a cheat day occasionally.

You can thank me later.    Cool

Have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them for you.


carbs arent bad if you eat them at the right time.  don't be such a conspiracist
  
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It brings up the question about some liquor . Some are said to have zero carbs


tequila/vodka are your best bet
  
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