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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: E-Bikes Reply #100 - 10/18/17 at 10:44am	Print Post
	Yeah tally, I like riding my retro steel, rigid, SS bike as much as my late model full squish.. I don't need a dropper post, an outboard motor, a bike computer, tree sap in my tires, a GPS, or a camelback for that one either.. And if I can't ride it, I carry it on my back.. Just like I did in 1972. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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SCOTT_T Big Ring Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 2092 Joined: 02/16/05	Re: E-Bikes Reply #101 - 10/18/17 at 1:23pm	Print Post
	Yeap.

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drdirt55 Small Cog Offline Stupid should be painful Posts: 318 Location: Mooresville Joined: 12/18/11	Re: E-Bikes Reply #102 - 10/18/17 at 2:22pm	Print Post
	LMAO BTally has the post of the day so far

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Banjopickin Big Ring Offline Spinnin' knees & Hittin' trees since '85 Posts: 1805 Location: Pisgah National Forest, USA Joined: 08/01/11	Re: E-Bikes Reply #103 - 10/18/17 at 3:37pm	Print Post
	IntheBush wrote on 10/18/17 at 12:19am: It becomes less and less about the mountain, and more about the very things many of us seek to escape from in the first place. Yeah I get it. Some call this progress. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Nothing wrong with folks trying new things... Just cause someone likes to try new technology they are somehow not "pure" or "not real mtb'ers"? Hell, 150+ years ago the bicycle was considered a new fangled technological metal monster. "why would I need that when my horse is perfectly fine!?!" Why have any of this when we can live like we did 200 years ago? No ones making you ride anything and if you dont like it dont use it... sounds like you are already doing that so why throw hate on those who want to try it? Not every mountain biker is in it for the tech or whatever... Come to the Pisgah and I will show you the mountains young grasshopper...
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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: E-Bikes Reply #104 - 10/18/17 at 6:41pm	Print Post
	Banjopickin wrote on 10/18/17 at 3:37pm: Nothing wrong with folks trying new things... Just cause someone likes to try new technology they are somehow not "pure" or "not real mtb'ers"? Hell, 150+ years ago the bicycle was considered a new fangled technological metal monster. "why would I need that when my horse is perfectly fine!?!" Why have any of this when we can live like we did 200 years ago? No ones making you ride anything and if you dont like it dont use it... sounds like you are already doing that so why throw hate on those who want to try it? Not every mountain biker is in it for the tech or whatever... Come to the Pisgah and I will show you the mountains young grasshopper... These are your words, not mine. I don't hate anybody. Everybody makes their own choices in life. It's a free country. You don't really need my blessing do you? A few old friends and I were having the same conversations in Pisgah and the surrounding areas before you were born, young grasshopper that refuses to use anything made of carbon fiber.
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renoirbud Small Cog Offline Newbie Posts: 442 Location: China Grove Joined: 12/12/06	Re: E-Bikes Reply #105 - 10/18/17 at 10:23pm	Print Post
	Banjopickin wrote on 10/18/17 at 3:37pm: Nothing wrong with folks trying new things... Just cause someone likes to try new technology they are somehow not "pure" or "not real mtb'ers"? Hell, 150+ years ago the bicycle was considered a new fangled technological metal monster. "why would I need that when my horse is perfectly fine!?!" Why have any of this when we can live like we did 200 years ago? No ones making you ride anything and if you dont like it dont use it... sounds like you are already doing that so why throw hate on those who want to try it? Not every mountain biker is in it for the tech or whatever... Come to the Pisgah and I will show you the mountains young grasshopper... I understand what your saying, the rub is when someone else's choices affect my ability to do what I chose to do. If E-bikers tick off land managers, trail will get closed for all bikes, unless there is a clear differentiation between pedal power and battery power. (twist throttle or pedal assist etc... its the same to an non cycling observer). I have run into an E-biker one time, Freedom Park, Williamsburg, VA. The Ebiker went into the directional in front of me, and at the end of the A trail the Ebiker decide it would be best use of his battery to ride the B trail backwards. So we came together head on on the B trail. Not a collision. But lets say that my daughter was on the trail riding the correct direction, working on getting skills and confidence. Should she have to put up with this? Is every Ebiker like this? Maybe; Christina Turner got run-over and injured by an Ebiker going the wrong way. I had to deal with a near head on collision on a trail where Ebikes are banned and the Ebike was coming the wrong way. The (self proclaimed) president of CLT Ebikes declared that as long as people get out of his way when he is riding his ebike uphill,'we will not have a problem' (I hope he has taken those words down from that thread regarding Ebikes at WWC)
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Banjopickin Big Ring Offline Spinnin' knees & Hittin' trees since '85 Posts: 1805 Location: Pisgah National Forest, USA Joined: 08/01/11	Re: E-Bikes Reply #106 - 10/18/17 at 10:36pm	Print Post
	renoirbud wrote on 10/18/17 at 10:23pm: I understand what your saying, the rub is when someone else's choices effect my ability to do what I chose to do. If E-bikers tick off land managers, trail will get closed for all bikes, unless there is a clear differentiation between pedal power and battery power. (twist throttle or pedal assist etc... its the same to an non cycling observer). I have run into an E-biker one time, Freedom Park, Williamsburg, VA. The Ebiker went into the directional in front of me, and at the end of the A trail the Ebiker decide it would be best use of his battery to ride the B trail backwards. So we came together head on on the B trail. Not a collision. But lets say that my daughter was on the trail riding the correct direction, working on getting skills and confidence. Should she have to put up with this? Is every Ebiker like this? Maybe; Christina Turner got run-over and injured by an Ebiker going the wrong way. I had to deal with a near head on collision on a trail where Ebikes are banned and the Ebike was coming the wrong way. The (self proclaimed) president of CLT Ebikes declared that as long as people get out of his way when he is riding his ebike uphill,'we will not have a problem' (I hope he has taken those words down from that thread regarding Ebikes at WWC) Im totally against eBikes on trails. I was speaking more to the hate toward improvements of pedal bikes. i.e droppers, suspension, gear boxes, etc I get the irony of my comments about "new technology" but eBikes aren't bikes. They're motorcycles ... As long as the human being is still the only power source... unassisted by outside factors I think improvements that add to a riders fun are fine.
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The Cycle Path IB Room In The Loop Project Board Offline Treasurer '11 to '18. Trail Chair '12-'18, '20-'21 Posts: 11858 Location: Lake Norman Joined: 08/04/03	Re: E-Bikes Reply #107 - 10/19/17 at 10:38am	Print Post
	renoirbud wrote on 10/18/17 at 10:23pm: I understand what your saying, the rub is when someone else's choices affect my ability to do what I chose to do. If E-bikers tick off land managers, trail will get closed for all bikes, unless there is a clear differentiation between pedal power and battery power. (twist throttle or pedal assist etc... its the same to an non cycling observer). I have run into an E-biker one time, Freedom Park, Williamsburg, VA. The Ebiker went into the directional in front of me, and at the end of the A trail the Ebiker decide it would be best use of his battery to ride the B trail backwards. So we came together head on on the B trail. Not a collision. But lets say that my daughter was on the trail riding the correct direction, working on getting skills and confidence. Should she have to put up with this? Is every Ebiker like this? Maybe; Christina Turner got run-over and injured by an Ebiker going the wrong way. I had to deal with a near head on collision on a trail where Ebikes are banned and the Ebike was coming the wrong way. The (self proclaimed) president of CLT Ebikes declared that as long as people get out of his way when he is riding his ebike uphill,'we will not have a problem' (I hope he has taken those words down from that thread regarding Ebikes at WWC) I get what you are saying but wouldn't/isn't that the same for a regular bike as well? We've seen riders do this long before E-bikes even came on the scene. Just sayin... PS Good to see you and the fam at the CYCL race at Fisher.

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The Cycle Path IB Room In The Loop Project Board Offline Treasurer '11 to '18. Trail Chair '12-'18, '20-'21 Posts: 11858 Location: Lake Norman Joined: 08/04/03	Re: E-Bikes Reply #108 - 10/19/17 at 10:55am	Print Post
	Banjopickin wrote on 10/18/17 at 10:36pm: Im totally against eBikes on trails. I was speaking more to the hate toward improvements of pedal bikes. i.e droppers, suspension, gear boxes, etc I get the irony of my comments about "new technology" but eBikes aren't bikes. They're motorcycles ... As long as the human being is still the only power source... unassisted by outside factors I think improvements that add to a riders fun are fine. I'm against anything with a throttle on our trails. Heck, I was against E-bikes period on the trails until I rode one for awhile. My observation is this...unless you are a super fit athlete, you are not going to be going nearly as fast as a super fit athlete. Example: I've ridden one many times at Fisher trying beat all the STRAVA records out there. I'm not super fit but I obviously know that trail like the back of my hand. Riding so hard I thought I was going to puke I couldn't not even come close to anyone's KOM there. (Except for one or two segments but was actually just as fast on my regular bike.) Not even in the top 100. Soooo....Is speed and lack of experience an issue? Yes, but it's an issue regardless of the kind of bike you are riding. I still see skid marks all the time in certain corners at Fisher from new riders riding department store bikes. But you know what? They're all having fun (hopefully) and not doing the trail any harm. I've seen some folks that gave up cycling a long time ago get on E-bikes and have the best time of their lives. I don't see a problem with that. Oh and my new ride came with a dropper post and I've been using it for the past year and I'll have to say this: For me? I use it mainly to mount and dismount which it's really handy for that. Meh for any other time. Thinking of taking it off, actually. But to each their own.

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Zakaraia Hermes Coaster Bike Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 80 Joined: 04/07/17	Re: E-Bikes Reply #109 - 10/19/17 at 11:13am	Print Post
	You needed that dropper in the donut video. Maybe you should leave it on

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MountainCycle Big Ring Offline Unelite p***^. Heartbreak lover. Posts: 1062 Joined: 02/05/09	Re: E-Bikes Reply #110 - 10/19/17 at 12:18pm	Print Post
	Beer blog.

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DG Small Cog Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 438 Location: Matthews Joined: 03/01/16	Re: E-Bikes Reply #111 - 10/19/17 at 1:10pm	Print Post
	The Cycle Path wrote on 10/19/17 at 10:55am: I'm against anything with a throttle on our trails. Heck, I was against E-bikes period on the trails until I rode one for awhile. My observation is this...unless you are a super fit athlete, you are not going to be going nearly as fast as a super fit athlete. Example: I've ridden one many times at Fisher trying beat all the STRAVA records out there. I'm not super fit but I obviously know that trail like the back of my hand. Riding so hard I thought I was going to puke I couldn't not even come close to anyone's KOM there. (Except for one or two segments but was actually just as fast on my regular bike.) Not even in the top 100. Soooo....Is speed and lack of experience an issue? Yes, but it's an issue regardless of the kind of bike you are riding. I still see skid marks all the time in certain corners at Fisher from new riders riding department store bikes. But you know what? They're all having fun (hopefully) and not doing the trail any harm. I've seen some folks that gave up cycling a long time ago get on E-bikes and have the best time of their lives. I don't see a problem with that. Oh and my new ride came with a dropper post and I've been using it for the past year and I'll have to say this: For me? I use it mainly to mount and dismount which it's really handy for that. Meh for any other time. Thinking of taking it off, actually. But to each their own. Wise words... About droppers, i was watching the re-run of the MTB world cup and the commentators were discussing about droppers, one of the two an ex world class rider said, we have them when racing but frankly we forget half of the time to use them. Now the dropper fan will kill me lol. You are right we forgot that some poeple like me are there to have fun adn to try to stay fit. So why to judge which bike you ride, which extra you have etc. I enjoy the ride and sweat for it! Makes me feel great even if I am slower than a snail. I am 50 and thanks to biking my reat HR is 57 (was 70) and probably i will not have heart problems when older. But I am sure that when my right knee will decide to get worst (ruined in years of Judo throws) i will buy a nice ebike and continue to enjoy the ride no matter of what other people think.

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Dirkdee Coaster Bike Offline Posts: 207 Joined: 11/10/04	Re: E-Bikes Reply #112 - 10/19/17 at 1:25pm	Print Post
	DG wrote on 10/19/17 at 1:10pm: About droppers, i was watching the re-run of the MTB world cup and the commentators were discussing about droppers, one of the two an ex world class rider said, we have them when racing but frankly we forget half of the time to use them. Now the dropper fan will kill me lol. I'm assuming you are talking about the XC world cup...most of those courses are so easy it's not worth the weight penalty. Now take a look at the EWS, I doubt there is anyone not using a dropper.

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DG Small Cog Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 438 Location: Matthews Joined: 03/01/16	Re: E-Bikes Reply #113 - 10/19/17 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	Dirkdee wrote on 10/19/17 at 1:25pm: I'm assuming you are talking about the XC world cup...most of those courses are so easy it's not worth the weight penalty. Now take a look at the EWS, I doubt there is anyone not using a dropper. So easy? ok.... I must be really bad......

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DG Small Cog Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 438 Location: Matthews Joined: 03/01/16	Re: E-Bikes Reply #114 - 10/19/17 at 1:49pm	Print Post
	7 laps at that speed in that trail I would not call it easy (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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btalley Big Ring Offline aka "Lil Bill" or "Squatch" Posts: 1483 Location: Mooresville, NC Joined: 08/03/10	Re: E-Bikes Reply #115 - 10/19/17 at 10:35pm	Print Post
	Zakaraia Hermes wrote on 10/19/17 at 11:13am: You needed that dropper in the donut video. Maybe you should leave it on This one??? (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: E-Bikes Reply #116 - 10/19/17 at 11:08pm	Print Post
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btalley Big Ring Offline aka "Lil Bill" or "Squatch" Posts: 1483 Location: Mooresville, NC Joined: 08/03/10	Re: E-Bikes Reply #117 - 10/20/17 at 1:37am	Print Post
	How did the E-Bike Thread become a Droooper Thread?

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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: E-Bikes Reply #118 - 10/20/17 at 1:52am	Print Post
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StevenA Coaster Bike Offline Posts: 162 Joined: 06/28/16	Re: E-Bikes Reply #119 - 10/20/17 at 3:01am	Print Post
	btalley wrote on 10/20/17 at 1:37am: How did the E-Bike Thread become a Droooper Thread? Isn't this usually when threads become Fisher Farm threads? Fisher Farm is ebike, dropper, and tubeless friendly.

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