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bikermedic Little Ring Offline Swim, Bike, Run 140.6 Posts: 904 Joined: 04/07/09	Re: E-Bikes Reply #40 - 10/01/17 at 6:46pm	Print Post
	I was racing nationals this year up in Snowshoe. When I crossed the finish line I had two USAC officials ask if they could inspect my bike. They had a device attached to an Ipad and were scanning the bottom bracket. I am assuming they were looking for magnetic impulse... It evidently is getting more common for convert use of e-bike technology in the race world.....

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Watcher Little Ring Offline I Love YaBB 2! Posts: 624 Location: Harrisburg Joined: 09/11/06	Re: E-Bikes Reply #41 - 10/01/17 at 9:40pm	Print Post
	I have not knowingly seen a E-Bike at RRT but I don't notice bike brands drive trains components in general just never have. I don't think at this time I have any problem with them being ridden here. Lot of of that is deferment to CyclePath who does have experience on trail maint as well as riding. I meet a neighbor out here that is in early seventies I believe came to mtn biking in his late 50's said he loved riding Poplar Tent trails before they were closed. (I'm trying to get to the point I'm old and slow to.) A while back he had a lung removed and is just trying to get his stamina back at a level that he can walk and hike. He already has reasonable skills but due to health and age likely will never get to Mtn bike again. I encouraged him to look into E-bikes as a way to allow him to enjoy it at some level. That seems to be a perfect example of why we should be open to E-Bikes at some trails. We never know when we will be on the other side of a situation.

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ChosenOne Little Ring Offline Posts: 600 Joined: 11/02/08	Re: E-Bikes Reply #42 - 10/01/17 at 9:47pm	Print Post
	Watcher wrote on 10/01/17 at 9:40pm: I have not knowingly seen a E-Bike at RRT but I don't notice bike brands drive trains components in general just never have. I don't think at this time I have any problem with them being ridden here. Lot of of that is deferment to CyclePath who does have experience on trail maint as well as riding. I meet a neighbor out here that is in early seventies I believe came to mtn biking in his late 50's said he loved riding Poplar Tent trails before they were closed. (I'm trying to get to the point I'm old and slow to.) A while back he had a lung removed and is just trying to get his stamina back at a level that he can walk and hike. He already has reasonable skills but due to health and age likely will never get to Mtn bike again. I encouraged him to look into E-bikes as a way to allow him to enjoy it at some level. That seems to be a perfect example of why we should be open to E-Bikes at some trails. We never know when we will be on the other side of a situation. This... Thanks for another voice of reason Steve... Cheers
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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: E-Bikes Reply #43 - 10/02/17 at 12:20am	Print Post
	I think I saw one out at Springs today (I was riding a green SS, rigid). He was riding around like everybody else. I wouldn't have noticed except for what looked like a battery pack on the down tube. Mentioning Springs.. We've got a few crazy characters down there and they don't ride bikes. They walk crazy dogs and a few walkers that absolutely refuse to yield the trail even an inch to oncoming mountain bikes. I asked one lady with a large, rather vicious dog if the dog was ok before I passed, and she said it had never seen a bike before.. I thought, oh great as I passed as it was nippin' at my leg and she was barely holding on for dear life. Of course most folks are great. But I never could figure out why in a place with so many miles of trail, most off limits to mountain bikes, the attitude problems and the common sense challenged always head for the bike trail.
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csquared Little Ring Offline Get busy living or Get Busy Dying! Posts: 555 Joined: 07/02/12	Re: E-Bikes Reply #44 - 10/02/17 at 12:34am	Print Post
	Saw an ebike at Sherman today. Full on throttle... no pedal assist.. we were stopped at the lake for a mechanical. Heard a noise just hauling towards the lake loop like a mad man on the straight away to the lake Loop. We were like dayem, that dude must be fast cause I've NEVER heard a sound like that. As he turned the corner I dropped my jaw thinking someone was beasting a full DH rig through Sherman... no pedal strokes but he was accelerating towards us and we shortly saw what it was... quite sad really.

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bikermedic Little Ring Offline Swim, Bike, Run 140.6 Posts: 904 Joined: 04/07/09	Re: E-Bikes Reply #45 - 10/02/17 at 12:47am	Print Post
	I think reasonable arguments can be made for pedal assist e-bikes. However, if all you are doing is turning a throttle then ist a MOTORCYCLE...

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ChosenOne Little Ring Offline Posts: 600 Joined: 11/02/08	Re: E-Bikes Reply #46 - 10/02/17 at 1:19am	Print Post
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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: E-Bikes Reply #47 - 10/02/17 at 1:31am	Print Post
	Just wait till after Christmas. Every kid at Beatty's gonna have one.

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DG Small Cog Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 438 Location: Matthews Joined: 03/01/16	Re: E-Bikes Reply #48 - 10/02/17 at 1:37am	Print Post
	IntheBush wrote on 10/02/17 at 1:31am: Just wait till after Christmas. Every kid at Beatty's gonna have one. Lol just like drones! I think they are still too pricey for a kid that still has to grow up.

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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: E-Bikes Reply #49 - 10/02/17 at 1:57am	Print Post
	How about a 3000 watt electric fat bike from $499.95. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) A few more bucks you can have this 12000 watt monster. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) It'll go over 50 mph. No peddling required. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) In Europe right now the definition of an e-bike has a top speed limit of 15.5 mph w/motor only or peddle assist. The motor output can not exceed 250 watts. In the U.S., top speed w/motor only or peddle assist can not exceed 20 mph and the motor output is limited to 750 watts. Any more and it is not considered a bicycle. Here's a good article from Dirt Rag that covers all the different angles. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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sCvHeaVens Small Cog Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 447 Location: Charlotte, NC Joined: 02/12/15	Re: E-Bikes Reply #50 - 10/02/17 at 11:37am	Print Post
	I think in the USA its currently 20mph / 750 watts. I saw one at Sherman the other day as well (I think last Tuesday); everyone is a$$hats until we all get kicked out of P&R trails because people are determining their own definition of motorized vehicle.

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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: E-Bikes Reply #51 - 10/02/17 at 1:05pm	Print Post
	"The fact is that a lot of people don’t ride mountain bikes because getting themselves and the bikes up and over some hills and other obstacles is just too difficult." Gary Fisher (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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Yellowduck Big Ring Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 1537 Location: Concord Joined: 04/28/10	Re: E-Bikes Reply #52 - 10/02/17 at 2:04pm	Print Post
	bikermedic wrote on 10/02/17 at 12:47am: I think reasonable arguments can be made for pedal assist e-bikes. However, if all you are doing is turning a throttle then ist a MOTORCYCLE... This. There is a good argument for pedal assist for sure. The problem is when a non assist bike runs over another rider, hiker, etc on public land. What happens then. It won't be good for anyone. The problem is drawing the line against pedal assist and electric bikes on public lands. Without banning both, it will be hard to enforce.
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Marlingreen Coaster Bike Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 85 Joined: 12/19/13	Re: E-Bikes Reply #53 - 10/03/17 at 1:50pm	Print Post
	Saw one at Sherman Sunday evening around 5ish. Thought it was just a big DH bike but when it came by sure enough it was like a moped. Saw it at the lake loop.

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JasonK Ex Member	Re: E-Bikes Reply #54 - 10/03/17 at 3:40pm	Print Post
	I doubt these bikes, or most of their potential riders shred hard enough to have any more of an impact on the trail than a regular bike does. When they can go 70 miles and hour and you can rooster tail a fountain of dirt from the starting position then I may raise an eyebrow. But I can see how they make a lot of riders nervous that the end is nigh. So much to be scared of and vigilant over when it comes to OUR trails. We can't let hikers soak up all the crazy.

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Banjopickin Big Ring Offline Spinnin' knees & Hittin' trees since '85 Posts: 1805 Location: Pisgah National Forest, USA Joined: 08/01/11	Re: E-Bikes Reply #55 - 10/03/17 at 3:49pm	Print Post
	Quote: I doubt these bikes, or most of their potential riders shred hard enough to have any more of an impact on the trail than a regular bike does. When they can go 70 miles and hour and you can rooster tail a fountain of dirt from the starting position then I may raise an eyebrow. But I can see how they make a lot of riders nervous that the end is nigh. So much to be scared of and vigilant over when it comes to OUR trails. We can't let hikers soak up all the crazy. They already have "e-bikes" that can do that... Throttle down and send a roost a mile high! haha... Its funny how no one talks about the negative environmental costs of e-bikes. Those lithium batteries dont grow on trees... Hope this isnt a shock to all you Prius owners...
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DG Small Cog Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 438 Location: Matthews Joined: 03/01/16	Re: E-Bikes Reply #56 - 10/03/17 at 4:04pm	Print Post
	Banjopickin wrote on 10/03/17 at 3:49pm: They already have "e-bikes" that can do that... Throttle down and send a roost a mile high! haha... Its funny how no one talks about the negative environmental costs of e-bikes. Those lithium batteries dont grow on trees... Hope this isnt a shock to all you Prius owners... Well the "waste issue" should be applied to every component. From the liquid for tubeless, to the grease, degreaser etc. Yes Lithium Batteries are a pollution problem but it is true you do not have to replace them every month...

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chickenwyre Coaster Bike Offline Posts: 126 Location: LoSo Joined: 09/13/14	Re: E-Bikes Reply #57 - 10/03/17 at 4:08pm	Print Post
	Banjopickin wrote on 10/03/17 at 3:49pm: Hope this isnt a shock to all you Prius owners... I've been saying this for years and their gas economy isn't that much better than other small cars.

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Banjopickin Big Ring Offline Spinnin' knees & Hittin' trees since '85 Posts: 1805 Location: Pisgah National Forest, USA Joined: 08/01/11	Re: E-Bikes Reply #58 - 10/03/17 at 4:13pm	Print Post
	DG wrote on 10/03/17 at 4:04pm: Well the "waste issue" should be applied to every component. From the liquid for tubeless, to the grease, degreaser etc. Yes Lithium Batteries are a pollution problem but it is true you do not have to replace them every month... True... there is waste and environmental costs generated from everything... but you can choose to spend your $$ on things that dont have such a large negative impact on the environment... Same reason I dont ride carbon bikes anymore and dont run any carbon components. And I try to use "naturally" sourced lubricants, sealants, de-greasers etc. That and I am a stupid hippie who composts, buys local, recycles everything, and reuses as much as I can. RRR!
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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: E-Bikes Reply #59 - 10/03/17 at 5:26pm	Print Post
	chickenwyre wrote on 10/03/17 at 4:08pm: I've been saying this for years and their gas economy isn't that much better than other small cars. I get over 600 miles on a tank in my C-max hybrid. Before the hurricane it cost me about 12-15 bucks to fill it up.. Stomp on it to pass and you'd better hold on tight 'cause it'll almost wrench the steering wheel out of your hands. It's heavy so it rides like a larger car that's low slung and handles like a sports car. Plenty of head room as well. I almost bought her a Focus. Glad I didn't.
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