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08/04/18 at 4:51pm
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Hey guys I have a question. This summer I did an xc race in Italy that required lot  of constant long climbing. I have asked in the past and some members told me to train for distance on the road. I did it mainly in Italy mixing distance and climbing. Now let's say I could have done better but frankly I was missing good training and preparation, so I want to get ready for next year. Now I saw that there is Dupont park that has  trails that might be perfect for training,  but unfortunately it is not around the corner. What would you suggest me? Where could I train in the Charlotte region or immediately nearby? I am not keen to use the mountain bike on roads since cars are already pissy with father road bikes and I cannot imagine how they would behave with a MTB on the road.
  
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Reply #1 - 08/04/18 at 5:12pm
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Go ride RRT. When you get comfortable doing 2 or more laps, you'll be good to go.
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Enoch wrote on 08/04/18 at 5:12pm:
Go ride RRT. When you get comfortable doing 2 or more laps, you'll be good to go.


Just checked, 1000 ft elevation per lap is a great training. Thanks will go for sure maybe already tomorrow morning if there is no rain.
  
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Reply #3 - 08/04/18 at 5:38pm
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Find out how long to longest climb was and train around that. Anything local isn’t going to have a climb anywhere near this, and that is why everyone suggested riding the road more. It’s hard to beat a solid workout on the road for the best bang for your buck. 

If the final goal is to get fit for that event, get out on a quiet area and smash out some hard efforts.
  
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Reply #4 - 08/04/18 at 9:11pm
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pearl wrote on 08/04/18 at 5:38pm:
Find out how long to longest climb was and train around that. Anything local isn’t going to have a climb anywhere near this, and that is why everyone suggested riding the road more. It’s hard to beat a solid workout on the road for the best bang for your buck. 

If the final goal is to get fit for that event, get out on a quiet area and smash out some hard efforts.


Longest climb of thata race was from 2047 mt till 2446 mt with an average grade of 8.5%, it a 5km climb. And this was the easy of the three competitions.

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So you too you are telling me to do a lot of roads (even with a mtb) to create stamina.
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DG wrote on 08/04/18 at 4:51pm:
Hey guys I have a question. This summer I did an xc race in Italy that required lot  of constant long climbing. I have asked in the past and some members told me to train for distance on the road. I did it mainly in Italy mixing distance and climbing. Now let's say I could have done better but frankly I was missing good training and preparation, so I want to get ready for next year. Now I saw that there is Dupont park that has  trails that might be perfect for training,  but unfortunately it is not around the corner. What would you suggest me? Where could I train in the Charlotte region or immediately nearby? I am not keen to use the mountain bike on roads since cars are already pissy with father road bikes and I cannot imagine how they would behave with a MTB on the road.


Go do Uwharrie as a loop.
Wait until the heat index is over 95 in Charlotte. 
When you can do 5 laps you're good to go.  Smiley
  
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Reply #6 - 08/06/18 at 12:02pm
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If you do Uwharrie, don't do the whole loop (aka, finish Keyauwee the cross the over the fire road to super tree and back to the parking lot). I find it much more fun (and more training) to do Keyauwee to the second peak (just before the fire road) then turn around and go back down what you just climbed up. Total is about 11-12 miles and 1300ft. 

For a kicker, you can then do Super Tree from the parking lot if you still have energy/time.
  
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I've never seen anyone riding the opposite direction on Keyauwee when  was out there but it sounds like it's bi-directional?  I usually just park at the Woodrun trail head and jump onto the trail.   

So are you are saying to basically do all of Keyauwee, turn around and ride it "backwards"?  I do notice some sections that would be a blast going the opposite direction from what I ride.
  
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I've never seen anyone riding the opposite direction on Keyauwee when  was out there but it sounds like it's bi-directional?  I usually just park at the Woodrun trail head and jump onto the trail.  

So are you are saying to basically do all of Keyauwee, turn around and ride it "backwards"?  I do notice some sections that would be a blast going the opposite direction from what I ride. 


I always do Keyauwee as an out and back as the poster above suggested.  It's a ton of fun, highly recommended.
  
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Reply #9 - 08/06/18 at 2:19pm
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It's tempting to bomb the downhills.
But it's rider beware.
Since its bi-directional I've heard of evacuations taking place because of collisions.

Like the mountains, you're a long way from help out there, and cell service is spotty or non existent with some carriers.
  
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Reply #10 - 08/06/18 at 2:30pm
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Reply #11 - 08/06/18 at 3:11pm
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After looking at that elevation profile, you're best bet is to hit the road man. sorry to break it to ya!
Besides maybe URE that is "local", there isn't anything around to get a constant pedaling into your system. 3 hours at URE would be good, but 3 hours on the road would be better for your fitness.

How far are you to the closest trail head? Have you thought about riding to the trail from home?

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that is no joke. I would look at doing ORAMM as a warm up/training race. 
Get over the fear of the road 100%!
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Reply #12 - 08/06/18 at 3:51pm
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Looks like my next ride at URE is an out and back!  Thanks and I'll keep my eyes peeled for other riders.   

But to not hijack the thread my opinion along with road riding is to also plan some other races leading up to the one in Italy.  You probably do have some planned I would guess.  For me with racing back in the day and even some half marathons it was critical to do other smaller races as part of my prep for the big events. 

I don't really enjoy road biking but I had one when I was racing.  I would go to a local business park that had a closed loop and do interval training there.  It was a huge help.   

  
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Reply #13 - 08/06/18 at 4:14pm
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Go do this one:

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Basically - do big rides in the Mountains, except not substitutes

  
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Reply #14 - 08/06/18 at 5:41pm
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Thanks guys for the super info. I had one month training in Italy but was not enough to be seriously ready for the race (which anyway I have finished in a respectful third to last place) my Italian friends were much better prepared and one waited for me to cheer me up and ride with me. But my plan for next year is to be more prepared and maybe climb up few positions in the overall standings  Grin. I will use strava to create some road training trying to stay away from main traffic. 
Also any of you partecipate in any race?
  
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South mountain state park. Wilson's Revenge has Maple Sally Road. (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
The Dirt Diggler will take you around DuPont  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links);      (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links);    There are Marrow Mountain and Pilot Mountain Hill climbs that local clubs do. A couple of clubs out of Statesville, do regular Brushy Mountain Climbs. Also a couple of clubs ride the Blue Ridge parkway
  
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DG wrote on 08/06/18 at 5:41pm:

Also any of you partecipate in any race?


Yep. I've participated in plenty of races..

A few thoughts..

Unless you're a world class rider and they are not, locals will always have an advantage over you. The course is in their back yard, not yours.

It's not easy going from being a recreational rider with self-preservation on ones mind, to a competitive rider with paramedics on standby.

Some riders will bring better equipment to the party than you.

A skinny American is still fat by European standards. Try dropping 10-20 lbs. before you go. Test this theory by wearing a 10-20 lb. weight vest on your next ride.
  
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Reply #17 - 08/06/18 at 9:59pm
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Brushy on the mtb would be a good start. 
I’ve done full calendar of CX and 100 Mile NUE races, what works for me may not work for you. I can suggest getting as much saddle time on your mountain biking climbing as you can. The training stress is worth it.
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IntheBush wrote on 08/06/18 at 9:39pm:


Yep. I've participated in plenty of races..

A few thoughts..

Unless you're a world class rider and they are not, locals will always have an advantage over you. The course is in their back yard, not yours.

It's not easy going from being a recreational rider with self-preservation on ones mind, to a competitive rider with paramedics on standby.

Some riders will bring better equipment to the party than you.

A skinny American is still fat by European standards. Try dropping 10-20 lbs. before you go. Test this theory by wearing a 10-20 lb. weight vest on your next ride.


Your thoughts are correct,  most of those in the race ride daily or at least weekly in the Alps and they are used to altitude, distant climb and those unpaved roads with turns  that jump from 8% to 15% climb in a few meters. To tell you the truth it is tough to compete also with the recreational cyclist  over there, they are used to climb walls even the fat ones.
BTW I am a skinny Italian here in the US there I am considered obese.... I went for the medical visit, he checked my weight and with a smile he told me, you are obese, living in the USA you eat too much... Yes European are even worst than Americans, they have always the latest and best bikes that money can buy.
  
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pearl wrote on 08/06/18 at 9:59pm:
Brushy on the mtb would be a good start.

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