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Reply #20 - 02/28/08 at 3:58pm
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Page 79 of the PDF file. SB is recommended to become a nature preserve. (I like this idea)

Page 68 recommends biking only on paved roads inside nature preserves. (don't like this so much)

Maybe an exception can be made for SB because the trails are already there? And there's an injured dedicated bunch of trailworkers taking care of it.
  
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Reply #21 - 02/28/08 at 4:15pm
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It though Sherman was the first trail the TTB (mainly Enoch) got successfully included IN a park master plan?  I'm saying this based on a vague recollection of what I might have read in this forum a year or two back, so I could be mistaken.  If that was the case and has now changed, I wonder if neighbor conerns about illegal parking, traffic, etc. might have something to do with it?
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Reply #22 - 02/28/08 at 4:23pm
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Locomoto wrote on 02/28/08 at 4:15pm:
It though Sherman was the first trail the TTB (mainly Enoch) got successfully included IN a park master plan?  I'm saying this based on a vague recollection of what I might have read in this forum a year or two back, so I could be mistaken.  If that was the case and has now changed, I wonder if neighbor conerns about illegal parking, traffic, etc. might have something to do with it?

Actually Fisher Farm Park was the first one.  And I've got a witness!  Wink (me).

If I remember correctly, Sherman Branch was supposed to be a Nature Preserve anyway.  That's why Enoch kept the trail out of some sensitive areas.
  
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Reply #23 - 02/28/08 at 4:38pm
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Ah ... Fisher.  That must have been what I was thinking of.  Anyway, if SB becomes a nature preserve, hopefully the mtb trails can get grandfathered in.  Bikes off-road are currently a no-no at the existing ones (McDowell, Latta).
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Reply #24 - 02/28/08 at 4:49pm
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Bikes off-road are currently a no-no at the existing ones


I've always heard this, but their presentation would lead me to believe otherwise (isn't a mountain bike a "non-motorized vehicle"?).  This is why I asked the question, and why I continue to ask.   

I was told "bikes aren't allowed on the trails, unless guided by our staff".  Their concern is that we would go off trail and make new corridors.  (Couldn't a hiker do the same thing?)  I was also told that "Ten speeds are welcome on the roads".  But my bike has 27 speeds....

I still continue to question the logic, especially when there are thousands of acres of nature preserves and the data and public feedback show overwhelming need for bike trails.

Am I wrong?
  
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Reply #25 - 02/28/08 at 4:58pm
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I think it's based on Nature Preserves not being considered as recreational areas but strictly as natural and undisturbed green spaces. Not that I agree with that, but I think that's the attitude.
  
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Reply #26 - 02/28/08 at 5:09pm
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Not at all, but bike bans seldom have anything to do with logic.  I remember when I moved to Charlotte being surprised how much public land mtb-ers have access to.  Bikers have gradually been chased out of the woods every place else I've lived or else confined to one or two very crowded trails.  Typically it involves some politically well connected hiker group seeking exclusivity for themselves with the excuse that bikes damage the environment, disturb the wildlife, menace other users, etc.  I worry that attitude may eventually take hold here as the population grows.
  
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Reply #27 - 02/28/08 at 5:23pm
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I was looking at the pages in the 69-80 range of the presentation, where they talk about definitions of different areas within nature preserves...

First, under the definition of a Nature Preserve on pg 69:
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Nature preserves protect and enhance our air and water quality, contribute to the public understanding of natural systems and native species, provide sites for
educational activities, outdoor recreation, wildlife observation, and nature
appreciation, and preserve unique features and the natural beauty of Mecklenburg
County.


Then, on Pages 73 and 74, in talking about two different "zones" within a nature preserve and what "improvements" were appropriate:
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Non-motorized, multi-use trails (any surface material) and interpretive signage for educational and passive recreational purposes.


I think Sherman was brought up because they see it as acreage in their "land bank" for future park use...  Could this be a case of the left hand not talking to the right?  (Park planners not communicating with the Nature Preserve division) Maybe...
  
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Reply #28 - 02/28/08 at 5:36pm
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I know there is a study being conducted around Sherman as to the wildlife. I am not 100% sure what division it is. I am also aware that some of the land was off limits to building any trail due to a certain species of bird.

I doubt that any particular hiking group has lobbied for changing the status of SB in order to get rid of the MTB trails. I do know that we have some neighbors that are part of the carolina raptor center that have released some hawks and such in the park but in speaking with them they seemed very happy to have the trails there.

Our presence has stopped (certainly curtailed) various illeagal activities in the park..Hunting, ATV, Moto, etc and I really have not noticed very many hikers on or off the trails.  I hope the powers that be see that we have added to the enjoyment of the public and neighbors by having trails here.

Is there a contact that would be appropriate to reach out to in order to discuss what restictions would be put in place or avenue to change the proposed designation of nature preserve to ensure that the future use is including the trails.

OR am I getting concerned over nothing???
  
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Reply #29 - 02/28/08 at 5:51pm
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Well now I will DEFINITELY be at the meeting tonight to try and get more answers from them in regards to Sherman Branch.
  
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Reply #30 - 02/28/08 at 6:20pm
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Thanks for going, if you can. I have family obligations and can't make it myself  Sad

Make sure you shave, dress nice, and take a wad of cash to bribe and represent the club in a positive manner  Wink
  
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Reply #31 - 02/29/08 at 2:13am
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Just got back from the meeting.  There are no current plans to convert Sherman Branch into a nature preserve at this time.  It is, however, a property that Park & Rec owns that meets the criteria to become a nature preserve.  If that happens we will lose the mtn bike trails that are currently there. 

It was mentioned that we could be given land elsewhere in the county to replace those trails with if they were taken away. All in all, I noticed that the people I spoke with had a great deal of respect for the Trailblazers.   Smiley
  
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Reply #32 - 02/29/08 at 12:20pm
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Thanks for the update. I guess that is overall good news  Undecided
  
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Reply #33 - 02/29/08 at 1:30pm
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Just got back from the meeting.  There are no current plans to convert Sherman Branch into a nature preserve at this time.  It is, however, a property that Park & Rec owns that meets the criteria to become a nature preserve.  If that happens we will lose the mtn bike trails that are currently there. 

It was mentioned that we could be given land elsewhere in the county to replace those trails with if they were taken away. All in all, I noticed that the people I spoke with had a great deal of respect for the Trailblazers.   Smiley


Anyone else notice that some of the levels of "Nature Preserve" land allows existing EQUESTRIAN trails???

How would horse trails (which are by all accounts very damaging to the land) grandfathered in and MTB trails would be closed???  I am not sure I understand the thought process there.  Is it just the power of the lobby or is it the constant free fertilization  Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #34 - 02/29/08 at 4:58pm
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In a lot of land management issues, horses are considered natural users while cyclists are seen as a form of "mechanized transport" equivalent to dirt bikes, ATVs, etc.
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Reply #35 - 03/06/08 at 6:17pm
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they may cause alot of damage but in truth horses are about as natural as you can get.  Wink
  
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Reply #36 - 03/06/08 at 8:29pm
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Just got back from the meeting.  There are no current plans to convert Sherman Branch into a nature preserve at this time.  It is, however, a property that Park & Rec owns that meets the criteria to become a nature preserve.  If that happens we will lose the mtn bike trails that are currently there. 

It was mentioned that we could be given land elsewhere in the county to replace those trails with if they were taken away. All in all, I noticed that the people I spoke with had a great deal of respect for the Trailblazers.   Smiley

I wouldn't count on us loosing that land.  We are on the master plan for that park.
  
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Reply #37 - 03/08/08 at 1:10pm
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Here's an Observer story about the Segways at Latta:
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The nine-Segway fleet cost the county $55,000, money it expects to recoup with the $35-a-person tours. It's considered an experiment as park officials assess whether the machines will damage Latta's trails -- the reason bikes aren't allowed.


Be sure to watch the video report:
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Looks like fun...
  
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