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New brakes time...
06/10/13 at 2:38pm
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Hey folks,

After spending the week riding Pisgah ive come to realize that my Avid Elixir 5s are garbage. They stop me(sometimes) but I need some brakes that are more sensitive/controllable and also provide more stopping power. Im a newb to brakes having only run the Avids and some very old Shimano mech. brakes. Im looking for something that stops with ease and can be feathered to increase control on steep descents and cornering. What are ya'll running and and/or would recommend?  Im lookong at XT/XTRs but Hopes and Formula brakes come well reviewed as well. Thanks.  Smiley
  
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Re: New brakes time...
Reply #1 - 06/10/13 at 3:19pm
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The new X0 Trails are supposed to be great. I just got some Code Rs for a good deal used on Pinkbike. Any of the 4 piston brakes should have better stopping power.

On my Nomad I was running the Hayes Prime Pros with 185mm rotors and they felt good for an all mountain bike.
  
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Reply #2 - 06/10/13 at 3:34pm
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My Hayes Stroker Trails have been plenty good to me everywhere I ride. I have 4 sets of them. Never needed more power. They have more of a solid lever feel.
  
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Reply #3 - 06/10/13 at 4:08pm
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Trails are good.  If you want more initial bite, then XT's for sure.
  
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Reply #4 - 06/10/13 at 4:12pm
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Hayes Stroker Trails for hydraulic, Avid BB7's for mechanical.  I like both.
  
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Reply #5 - 06/10/13 at 4:49pm
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Enoch wrote on 06/10/13 at 3:34pm:
My Hayes Stroker Trails have been plenty good to me everywhere I ride. I have 4 sets of them. Never needed more power. They have more of a solid lever feel.


I have them on my trail bike as well.  203mm up front 160mm rear.  They are very consistent, require no maintenance, inexpensive and come in grey or white.

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Reply #6 - 06/10/13 at 5:12pm
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Thanks for the replies. I saw that deal on the Hayes. Really nice. Im either going with those or the XTs. Im thinking either would be a significant upgrade from my elixir 5s. How easy are the Hayes to bleed/maintain when the time comes? Is an adapter and new rotors necessary? Wouldnt the hayes mount up the same as the brakes on there now besides hose length? If there is no real difference between the XTs the savings would leave me enough to get the dropper post Ive been eyeing...  Grin
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Reply #7 - 06/10/13 at 5:56pm
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Stroker Aces

4-piston and Pricepoint had em just recently for $99/caliper (great price!)
They also are one of the best for wet stopping power:

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Reply #8 - 06/10/13 at 6:10pm
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Hayes are absolutely simple to bleed BTW.  I can have both calipers bled in about 10 mins.
Using DOT 4 fluid and a brake bleed gun...

Hayes will not disappoint
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Reply #9 - 06/10/13 at 6:16pm
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I have bikes with both hayes trials and the new XT brakes.  There is a big difference in feel. You are welcome to hook up with me sometime and try both if you want.  I also have a extra set of trails I need to get rid of.   

I think your existing rotors and adapters will work, at least I've been able to mix and match them before.

Bleeding the Hayes brakes are pretty easy.  I use the avid kit and do it the same way.
  
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Reply #10 - 06/10/13 at 6:28pm
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If you are looking for a long-term brakeset, do some research about whether they are rebuildable. 

My wife has a set of XTR's and an OTB accident shoved the lever forward away from the bars, causing the lever to leak fluid from the lever piston area. I called Shimano about it and they told me the only fix was to buy a new lever and that they were not meant to be rebuilt.

Anyway, being fully rebuildable is now a priority for me.

And my vote is for Hope M4/X2 front and rear combo. They aren't any stronger than shimano's new brakes but they last FOREVER. Ask Btalley how long his brakes have been on his bike...and how many times he's rebuilt them.
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Reply #11 - 06/10/13 at 6:42pm
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Yellowduck wrote on 06/10/13 at 6:16pm:
I have bikes with both hayes trials and the new XT brakes.  There is a big difference in feel.


How so?

It seems like either would work just dont know if spending the extra $$ for the XTs is worth it. Although it would match my other components for style points haha.
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Reply #12 - 06/10/13 at 7:15pm
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Shimanos have a big initial bite.  I've have hayes , avids, and the new xt's and when you hit the xt's, they just grab.  You can still modulate them very well once you get used to them but the first couple of times using them I thought they were way to powerful.  Now they are what I prefer.  To me the Hayes fell a lot like the avids I got.

For the money it is hard to beat the hayes.  I like avids but for they cost, I'd take the xt's all day long.  I got a smoking deal on the set of xt's I have.  If I could get the same deal I would have them on all three of my mountain bikes.
  
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Reply #13 - 06/10/13 at 7:55pm
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I like my Hope M4/X2 combo a lot.  I really considered the Shimano XT's but decided for the Hopes b/c I wanted something a little different and they had received fairly positive reviews.

Added bonus...the Hope's look really cool.
  
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Reply #15 - 06/10/13 at 9:48pm
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Hopes are baller brakes, dude.  A bit on the spendy side but won't disappoint. I've had the old M6's, several sets of M4's, a set of Pro2's and currently ride with M4/X2 7" and 6" rotors.

I'm thinking of getting the M4 EVO's as they revised the lever pivot to get a bit more leverage.
  
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Reply #16 - 06/10/13 at 10:28pm
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Hope's are bada$$ but my pockets aint that deep. Anything is gonna be an upgrade from the Avids.  I think im going with the XTs. They review really high and seem like a good deal for the price. Plus it saves me some funds for a Reverb, Hilo or other dropper. Stay tuned for that post. Pun intended Wink
  
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Reply #17 - 06/10/13 at 10:36pm
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can't go wrong with the new shimano stuff. they have done their homework with these new generation brakes.
  
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Reply #18 - 06/11/13 at 3:16am
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I think you're really splitting hairs when talking about Shimano versus Hope for brakes.  You should be super pleased with either.

  
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Reply #19 - 06/11/13 at 4:41pm
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Shimano SLX's work great and are less expensive than XT's and have adjustable levers. Oh and I have had Hayes Stroker Trails.  Those worked great too at the time I bought them and were a big bang for the buck and i'm sure they will work better than your Avids, (heck, a foot wedged between the tire & fork will work better and make less noise than Avids) but I love the feel of my Shimano SLX's and if you want even more stopping power and a snappier feel then get the XT's for just a little more and you won't be disappointed.
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