It seems if there is any standing water, of any size, anywhere on the premises, the trails at WWC will remain closed. In all fairness, that's both good and bad - it's good because it prevents the type of crap that happened at Beatty from happening at the WWC. Why it's bad is fairly obvious (especially if you paid for the $40 parking pass...) 

KERR SCOTT. I REPEAT...KERR SCOTT, OR... ROCKY KNOB MTN. BIKE PARK. Seriously, go up to the foot hills AND RIDE. In the mud. where it is allowed. And tpopgrahical drainage makes EVERYTHING OKAY!!!

After all this time and the same thing again and again. It has to be about the bike rentals. When the trails are closed so is the bike rentals. Period. If the trails are open people have to man the bike rental shack. if it is marginally muddy the bikes have to be cleaned and serviced when returned. They don't really care about the trails overall and they definitely do not care if we get to ride them. IMHO, The WWC center views open trails as a negative, a monetary loss. Closed trail never affects their overall pass sales. Season pass holders are not considered. Dollar rules.

The ignorance in a lot of these USNWC threads is dumbfounding....

As for the use of the trails during the Tri. They re-routed the entire course just days before the event. Not an easy task for an event of that size. This was to best accomodate the racers that had spent all the time and money preparing for the event. 

People have to man the trail center regardless. Yes, SOMETIMES early and late season when its slow, they wont open the trail center. But thats during off season hours. When the trails are closed people are still allowed to ride around the channel and the rest of the center. The idea behind the rental bikes is to provide people with another activity that keeps them from having to wait in another line like they would at other busier activities i.e. the Ridge, Canyon, Tower and Climbing areas. 

It is tough to maintain all of that trail system with the skeleton crew they have that actually knows how to build and maintain a trail properly. All of those people have other responsibilities at the USNWC too like organizing and running events as well as day to day stuff. Yes, I think its pretty &^&^tastic the way they seem to have alienated this club and their resources. But bitching about it and swinging your E-Meat every time theres remotely a reason to gripe about the USNWC doesn't do a single thing but alienate this club more. People that work there read this stuff guys and gals. Instead of bitching about the USNWC, write a proposal the way people do for other trail projects and set up a meeting with them and change their ideas of what you have to offer that trail system and their business. 

Just sayin'

I'm just happy I have another option now.  WWC was my "go to" because of the challenge, but thanks to Steve, RRT will get my business more and more.

StretchASU wrote on 07/22/13 at 2:15pm:


And the rest of us have 40+ hour a week jobs, families and other responsibilities and still spend 5-25 hours a week doing trail work, club administrative work, etc.  So we are on par for that.

A proposal isn't needed. A "hey, we need some help so let's organize some trail work days" is all that's needed.

You know I am in Mark, I am down for some work out there regardless of if I am or if I am not a Trailblazer member. I have time to go out and do work during the week. Like he said , there needs to be a meeting of the heads out there and the TTB board members and this can happen. All the negative needs to stop and try putting the positive back into WWC. To me that place is like Disney Land. I love it ...

The Cycle Path wrote on 07/22/13 at 3:22pm:


Oh trust me I totally get what youre saying. From the way I have seen the decision makers do business out there, it would go a long way to get everyone on the same page and moving forward, if it was proposed like a business transaction. Yes that sucks that it has to be handled that way because we are all enthusiasts and thats not how we handle the stuff at every other trail, but they look at a slightly different way because it is part of their business. There are a lot of enthusiasts that work out there and would love to be riding rather than having closed trails too, but they have their hands tied because the higher-ups ultimately are the ones that give the green light. It doesn't have to be a full proposal but just a reminder to the "suits" that the THTB is here for them.   

fatboy wrote on 07/22/13 at 3:50pm:

I'll give you 16 then!

My understanding of the situation out there was that they lease the property that they physically sit on from Meck County Parks, and not the area where the rest of the trails are (this doesn't include the private property sections like the Lake loop).  They were not supposed to control or maintain the trails, although they could charge to park in their parking lot.  This is the way I recall it starting in 2006. I remember one time in like 2009 I was riding with somebody that got seriously hurt, and I went to the office to get their assistance with getting her off the trail and to somewhere where and ambulance could get her.  They told me that didn't do that because the trails were not on their property.  Since then I have seen they have put emergency location signs, so I guess that has change. So do they now claim the trails as well?  Are they leasing all of that land now?  If they are going to claim the trails as their, then they need to being paying for the property they are on.