I'll bite. Cross country rider riding 29ers here. Like the old line, love the new line. It expanded what I thought my bike and skills could handle. My bike is true cross country and after about 10 attempts can now clear everything. 

While I agree the flow is juxtaposition to the nar of the rest of the trail, its now a fun fast break I look foward to ripping. 

Go-rilla wrote on 07/16/14 at 7:06pm:

You can roll them. You don't have to jump. I or we had planned to put jumps in years ago in that area. They aren't done yet still need more dirt on them. Going to add 3 more also. This trail was not built for cross country riding in mind. It was built to get you ready to ride in Pisgah many many years ago. We also have a big group of people who ride this kind of stuff including me. We have a need for this type of thing. I have let it be known that I am willing to stick my neck out for this type of thing. No one else is trying to do this. More stuff is going to be added this fall/winter. This trail has gotten stale and boring to some of us and I/we need more challenges to become better riders. I hope you understand.

I may be the minority here as well BUT everything does not need a ride around. If you ride at BYT you should be wanting to learn some stuff. If not go ride ANY of the other trails in the area. 

When I started riding (and I'm not that old) ride arounds where not on every trail. You had the trail and if you could ride it all great, if not man up walk your bike or learn how to ride it. Those two jumps are nothing and are easily roll-able. It has good flow if you hit them or even pump roll them to gain speed. 

Also I'm sick of flow. Just let it be a trail with roots and rocks and ride your bike in the woods. BYT is my favorite trail in the area because I actually have to think a little bit about what I am doing on a bike. 

And here I was thinking I was the only one bored with flow trails. Rode Laurel at LKN for the first time in a while and it has gotten pretty smooth. Maybe I need to endure the drive to CLT and ride BYT.

First off, can we not tell people to roll the jumps? This is what ruins jumps, which is already very evident at byt. Rolling them ruins the lip, only making them harder to jump and requires a lot more upkeep. At least try to make it over the lip even if you don't clear it. Saying that because it isn't crosscountry oriented is crap, not everyone that rides likes to dawn lycra and jump on there 29er. There is a fairly large crowd in Charlotte that ride dh and freeride, and we shouldn't have to leave the city to get in the type of riding we enjoy. Just because the riding doesn't suit you doesn't give you the right to say we shouldn't build it. It's frusterating that we can't build features around Charlotte that aren't meant to be hit on a crosscountry bike without people whining that they can't hit it, thus it shouldn't be there. The gap jump we put in at BYT earlier this year is a perfect example of this. Climbing hills isn't really that fun on my bike, but that doesn't mean I'm going to demand we reroute trails to avoid climbing. 

The jump line at BYT is fun, but it is and was far from perfect. No jump out there, other than the bottom table, had a lander until josh, scott and a few others put some in recently. I don't know about you, but I don't particularly enjoy bottoming every time I hit a jump. As someone who puts a lot of time and effort into building nice jumps, I beg you, do not roll the jumps. I can't express that enough. I would rather have a ride around than continue ruining what could be nice jumps for the people that actually hit them. 

TL;DR expecting trail builders to not add new features because it doesn't suit you're 29er hardtail carbon fiber 4'' travel bike is ridiculous. Go grab some starbucks and cry about it, but don't get in the way of progress.

sager wrote on 07/17/14 at 12:48pm:


Neither is making a post about how in one persons eyes, all the work that many people have been putting in, ruined the trail because it's not exactly what they want for their riding. I never claimed to be gnarly, I guess I'm just kinda frustrated that I have to build my own trails to ride to avoid people complaining about features that make them uncomfortable.

Missed the point completely.
It is NOT about making the trail suit 'my style'. The work did not ruin the trail for 'me'. 
(getting personal with comments doesn't help either..... adjust your rebound damping)

Don't have a problem with having that kind of stuff on the trails - in fact WELCOME it. (and have helped put some in myself) The features don't make me uncomfortable; the idea that a few will build their 'own' trails does.

My point is that I don't agree with the approach of ruining something that was perfectly fine for everyone and forcing everyone to ride a particular style when such features could have been added as OPTIONS.

Whether we like it or not, BYT is a 'public asset', not a private playground. 

I'd love to have more all-mountain style riding in the area. But not at the risk of alienating other riders and potentially having complaints and or concerns get voiced to P&R by the riding public.... which could create all kinds of other issues. 

Just wondering (worrying) about the bigger picture.

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All of this. Everything doesn't need a go around and no Tom F you are not the only one bored with "flow". I am by no means an extreme or gnarly rider but I like trails to be challenging. Flow is boring. When I come to something I don't want to ride I get off and walk. I do not expect there to be a go around for me to ride. There are things on some trails in the mountains that I will never ride. That's fine. I walk those sections. No one needs to build me a go around so I don't have to walk. As already stated pretty much any other trails in Charlotte has flow and go arounds. We need something different out there and BYT is different. It is not for everyone.  

I was once told that by a P&R employee that you will never be able to please everyone so do what makes you and your helpers happy. By the way P&R has seen a lot of the trail and like what they have seen except the posion ivy. Like I said more trail this fall and winter will be added along with a few more fun features. I already have the people who are willing to step up and add more.

I saw the new stuff for the first time on Sunday riding with a group.  I can agree that I did prefer it the old way but think the new additions will be fine.  My only problem is that the tables are not done.  My suggestion would be to make them much wider than they are and add more dirt to the entrance so it isn't so peaky.  For riders trying to progress and learn to ride those kinds of features it upsets the balance of the bike too much to really want to do it again.  Your front wheel is past the lip before your rear tire starts the jump.   And the narrowness of the compacted tread doesn't help either.  Kronic, you did fine BTW.  I just think it needs a little more width and polish to help some riders progress their skillz.

Flame on.  BTW Alex, they're gonna get rolled.  These are table tops, not dirt jumps.  If this were a separate and dedicated DJ line I would agree with you.