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06/15/15 at 2:23am
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I have a question.  With the recent conversations about us old guys (some faster than others) I was wondering about heart rates and the heart rate monitors.  I'm fairly fit guy and have decent speed on the bike.  I'm definitely not a slug (57-58 minute lap at Sherman-all 3 loops) but not as fast as the Enoch machine.  I have a heart rate monitor (Sigma Sports PC15) that I wear from time to time.  If I figure the old conventional method for max heart rate (220-your age=max rate) I come up with 220-56=164 for my max heart rate.  I am familiar with the different heart rate zones 50% to 70% is the fitness zone, 70% to 80 % is the aerobic zone, 80% to 90 % is the anaerobic zone, and 90% to 100% max is the VO2 Max Zone.  My question and concern is that I don't think that this is a very good judge of figuring my max heart rate.  According to my monitor I have maxed out as high as 180 before.  Although most of the time my monitor shows the majority of my ride 90+% close to the generic formulated max heart rate of 164 and a max rate attained of 174.  I recently manually changed the max rate on the monitor to 175 because this seems more realistic.  While I do get tired I am not completely gassed and occasionally go for a second lap without any problems.

Just wondering what every one else has experienced with the heart rate monitors and this generic formula.  We even use this formula in our fitness evaluations at work (Fire Dept.) and I have never agreed with the calculated rate.  I'm wondering if it's just the monitor, the formula, or both.  Anyone have any thoughts or advice?
  
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Reply #1 - 06/15/15 at 2:37am
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I wish people 20 years older than me would stop reminding me they ride Sherman 12 minutes faster... Lol. 

I don't know brother, only to say that those numbers come from the American Heart Association (I don't personally track my heart rate - maybe I should). I've been thinking about the Fitbit Charge HR for when I ride, but, like you, I'm not sure the numbers really mean anything. I know my resting HR is 70 bpm. If you're resting heart rate is 40-60 bpm you're not just healthy, you're "athlete" healthy. 

Either you're fit, or you're not. If you can ride SB in under an hour and go for a second lap then I wouldn't worry about it.
  
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220-your age is an old ball bark method and not very accurate, to find your MHR you need to do a test. I'm 58 and can still hit 175~180 with a resting rate of 45/46. Don't drive your self crazy over the numbers unless you race or are planning to.
  
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Reply #3 - 06/15/15 at 11:09am
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I'm dead on the 220 minus your age plan. I'm 53 and I can go up to 168 but if I stay there, I start to get some vision loss. On a hard lap, I'll average 140/145.

I got a buddy that could run 200 when he was 54 so it just goes to show everyone is different
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Reply #4 - 06/15/15 at 11:29am
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Max heart rate isn't really that important in my opinion. I have no idea what mine is.  Your VO2 max is the important number and I suggest everyone know theirs.  An easy way to calculate it is to do a 30 minute time trial on an open road and take your avg hr.  Or you can figure it out within a beat or two by paying attention to that feeling you get when you go over your lactate threshhold. Every time you go over that number you light a match. You only get so many matches so it's best to peg it just below that number. Those rides that were fast that felt so easy were probably because you inadvertently managed your lactate threshhold hr.
  
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Reply #5 - 06/15/15 at 12:13pm
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The only true way to calculate VO2 Max is in a lab measuring O2 Uptake and CO2 production.  With that said the OP was wondering about Max HR.  It varies dependent upon other factors mentioned in VO MAx above.  It can be as high as 10 points higher than calculated using the 220 method.  You may also not be able to reach your calculated max HR either. 

One thing to remember about a max heart rate is you can't simply go by the max HR noted on Strava or MapMyRide.  Most HR monitors and straps will have a spike or two sometimes double the HR.  I had a ride last week where strava listed my max HR on that ride as 280 BPM.  You must look at trends

  
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I took up mountain biking back in November and asked my doctor that very question as I wanted to make sure I was going to kill myself.  At 51 according to the AHA my max rate should be 169.  My doctor however said that is not an accurate number and that my max rate could be much higher.  He was more concerned with how quickly it would recover.  When I started my HR would regularly hit 180, now it rarely sees 180 and I'm pushing hard for it to do that.  But when I stop it will quickly come down to the 130's or 120's.  Once I'm done my resting rate is usually in the low to mid 70's.
  
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Reply #8 - 06/18/15 at 2:50am
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I'm 25 and I see my max HR hit 180-183 if I race up Goat Hill.  Otherwise, my average fast paced ride is around 145-155bpm.
  
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Reply #9 - 06/18/15 at 3:00am
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No-Name I'm at like 200ish if I go full tilt!! LOL
  
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Reply #10 - 06/22/15 at 6:55pm
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Are you interested in understanding your MAX heart rate or are you interested in understanding the different ranges? 

It has been pretty well established that the "220-age" is a general rule and there is much variance. I still remember hitting 205 after climbing carpet when it was 100F outside. I nearly tossed my cookies, but I figure I hit my max HR...

For determining your max heart rate, I READ ON THE INTERNET sometime ago that you should do a steady 30 min ride (not strenuous), and then on a stretch with a 1-2 mi gentle incline, push it as hard as you can for 1-1.5 miles. DISCLAIMER - Having mentioned this, I would recommend being careful before doing this type of stress test -- I am not a physician and can only state that his approach has worked well for me. Also, if you have any kind of heart condition and push your heart to hard...

A while back (6-7 years ago), I hit 203 doing this. While riding, back then, I peaked 200 a few times (i.e., see above). More recently, when doing this test, I hit 185-190, which is consistent with what I have observed when riding recently (i.e., my riding had dropped off for 1-2 years). 

As mentioned by bikermedic, the only truly accurate method for measuring VO2 Max & your anaerobic threshold is via a lab -- the last I heard, Cool Breeze does this. 

Why look at this though? Most people who are interested in max HR and the corresponding HR zones, are looking to do it for racing. One of my neighbors went through the process (she was training for a half-iron man), and once she knew her anaerobic threshold and the HR zones, she targeted her HR under that number when exercising. Using the information, she developed the stamina she needed for longer rides / runs. As you get in better shape though, your thresholds / ranges can change, so it can be an expensive proposition   Cheesy

Some people who plateau in their speed-endurance and/or are not loosing any weight, do not understand why -- typically, these are people who primarily exercise in zone 3 -- they are not going fast enough to develop their speed and not going slow enough to burn fat from carbs / increase their endurance.
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Reply #11 - 07/25/15 at 1:06pm
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I work in cardiac with heart attack patients.  DK and others are correct.  The numbers don't matter much unless you are hitting 220 BPM or higher.  What counts the most is how you feel during exertion.  If you are just getting tired when that rate is up, keep pushing.  If you are having chest pain or shortness of breath,  stop and call your doctor.  If you stop riding, rest and you still can't catch your breath or have pain, call 911 and get a cardiologist (and I'll see you at work).
Think of the numbers in the body mass index.  According to that, a healthy guy with 2% body fat who lifts weights can be obese.
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