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The future of the WWC
06/27/16 at 3:55pm
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Does anyone here have thoughts on the recent events at the WWC & how it may affect it's viability?  It seems they have a major PR hurdle to overcome & the possibility of a huge lawsuit resulting from potential negligence.  Worst case scenario is they will not be able to recover from the resulting ramifications & it'll close down permanently.  I've been riding there since '95 & would hate to see it close down. 
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Reply #1 - 06/27/16 at 4:31pm
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If everything they're saying is true as far as the water treatment precautions they took, they should be ok.  There might very well be a lawsuit, but if there's no negligence on their part, they should be ok, and that's assuming they carry massive insurance policies which I can't see them not doing.

It's simply a very unfortunte, one-in-a-million accident.  But lacking negligence on their end, I would think they should come out of the other side ok.  All my opinion, of course.

  
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Reply #2 - 06/27/16 at 4:56pm
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ludey wrote on 06/27/16 at 4:31pm:
 But lacking negligence on their end, ...


Key phrase right there
  
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Reply #3 - 06/27/16 at 4:58pm
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What I'd like to know: in WWC's official letter, it explained that their UV filtration was 99.99% effective in "inactivating" the organism, whatever that means. Killing the organism was not mentioned. So when they found the amoeba in the water, that didn't seem surprising to me, but no information has come out about whether the system was working as intended and properly inactivating it.

Also, it seems to me from my unscientific poll of facebook, the people flipping out are those who never step foot on the property to begin with.
  
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Reply #4 - 06/27/16 at 5:01pm
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The only way they can be guilty is in the court of public opinion as far as I'm concerned.  The death of the young girl in this case is certainly tragic and my heart goes out to her family, but the bacteria in question are present in warm water bodies and do not cause death just from contact or swallowing according to the articles I've read.  Being in water when it's forced up the nose can be fatal unfortunately.  But if a lawyer is going to try that battle he might as well fight Duke Energy and anyone else responsible for the local lakes around here and possibly even swimming pool owners.  It seems the WWC is doing everything humanly possible to keep the water quality as best it can.
  
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Reply #5 - 06/27/16 at 5:02pm
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SirNotAppearing wrote on 06/27/16 at 4:58pm:
What I'd like to know: in WWC's official letter, it explained that their UV filtration was 99.99% effective in "inactivating" the organism, whatever that means. Killing the organism was not mentioned. So when they found the amoeba in the water, that didn't seem surprising to me, but no information has come out about whether the system was working as intended and properly inactivating it.

Also, it seems to me from my unscientific poll of facebook, the people flipping out are those who never step foot on the property to begin with.


It's only effective if the water is clear (i.e., running the PEP filters that are upstream of the UV), if they maintain the system regularly (replacing UV banks), and actually RUN the system -- 24 hours a day.  I'm not saying they don't do these things, but I can tell you that was not the case 9-10 years ago.
  
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Reply #6 - 06/27/16 at 6:27pm
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July 4th weekend is a huge money maker for the WWC! Hopefully they can reopen in time!

It stinks that the one in a million million million chance happened there...
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Reply #7 - 06/27/16 at 6:41pm
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I guess it's developing into a "wait-n-see" type situation.  I'm sure the victims family is being inundated with atty solicitations who are salivating at the opportunity to file a lawsuit against the WWC.  I wonder if the insurance company will drop their policy if a claim is filed.
  
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Reply #8 - 06/27/16 at 6:52pm
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I'm curious,  if you have a killer organism in your water, what happens when you dump the pond into the Catawba River. Does the bad thing go away or just relocate?
  
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Reply #9 - 06/27/16 at 7:05pm
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DK wrote on 06/27/16 at 5:01pm:
The only way they can be guilty is in the court of public opinion as far as I'm concerned.

That's not how it works, there will be a law suit.
1) The first thing that will brought to record is the procedure(s) for water quality.
2) The next will be the water quality reports and system maint. records.
3) Any wavier or notice concerning the hazards related to rafting. 
If there are any questionable or missing records regarding the warnings, procedures or maint. records they (WWC) will be in trouble. 
 
  
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Reply #10 - 06/27/16 at 7:46pm
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Water channels will not be open for the 4th celebration.  In fact I doubt there will be any activity on that channel for at least a month (IMO you won't see people on the water this summer).  Yesterday they were power washing down all of the rocks around the top pond where the rafts embark.  I don't know their official plans but my guess is they will have the entire pool scrubbed, sterialized and disinfected 

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I doubt the center did anything with intent.  I believe the organism is very common in most all freshwater including your tap water... which is where WWC gets 99% of their water.... from the tap.

They will probably need to update their protocol to include additional chemical filtration and possibly regular water refresh intervals... something like refreshing 20% of the water per month during the summer season.  I think this would require additional permits to drain into the catawba river more than their current permit allows. 

I was out there yesterday and it was a SAD sight to see.  There were less than 100 cars in the parking lot... mostly bikers.

Perhaps the bright side will be less expensive beer to incentivize people to come back and enjoy a near death experience.
  
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Reply #11 - 06/27/16 at 8:40pm
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ChosenOne wrote on 06/27/16 at 7:46pm:

  I believe the organism is very common in most all freshwater including your tap water... which is where WWC gets 99% of their water.... from the tap.


Naegleria fowleri (the Ameba/Cyst) can be found in fresh water and dirt.
treatment is normally UV light and/or Chlorine.
  
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Reply #12 - 06/27/16 at 8:48pm
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Woods Rider wrote on 06/27/16 at 7:05pm:

That's not how it works, there will be a law suit.
1) The first thing that will brought to record is the procedure(s) for water quality.
2) The next will be the water quality reports and system maint. records.
3) Any wavier or notice concerning the hazards related to rafting. 
If there are any questionable or missing records regarding the warnings, procedures or maint. records they (WWC) will be in trouble. 
 


I have no doubt there will be a lawsuit.  I was just saying that I didn't think it would have merit IF the reports of what the WWC is doing to monitor water quality are true.
  
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Reply #13 - 06/27/16 at 10:44pm
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Its unfortunate it happened at the WWC. If the girl wouldve gotten it from water skiiing or tubing on Lake Wylie, which would be just as easy, it would be a non-issue. 

I would be curious what their insurance policy states in cases like this. I can only imagine a facility like the WWC has a policy that covers a wide variety of incidents given the variety of ways to hurt yourself there.

Sucks for everyone involved especially that girls family...  Sad
  
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Reply #14 - 06/28/16 at 1:00am
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It's incredible that people swim in much dirtier water sources every day and don't get infected by this organism.

I find it interesting that this orgasm seemed to thrive in conditions where water filtration and treatment procedures are being used.

I wonder it's possible that in some cases certain water treatment procedures can cause this organism to flourish in water where it already exists by removing natural barriers to it's proliferation? Don't fool with mother nature? I don't think anyone could have foreseen that this water could be more dangerous than the Catawba or local area lakes. And I can't think of one case.

Clearly WWC has done everything possible to treat and filter the water. If there is any fault, it would the failure to test for this orgasm. I suspect that will change. Too early to tell whether this will satisfy the public.

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Reply #15 - 06/28/16 at 10:53am
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How certain are they that her death was 100% caused by this one instance? I'd really hate to see it surface all of a sudden that there was some underlying factor that had nothing to do with Wwc. They're screwed right now financially and PR wise.
  
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Reply #16 - 06/28/16 at 1:52pm
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News this morning said 6-8 weeks
  
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Reply #17 - 06/28/16 at 1:55pm
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First of all the place was open, up and running for a week AFTER the incident. Open and packed! I hate what happened it's truly sad! As soon as it reopens it will be packed again. Insurance will take care of any lawsuits and life will move on. I doubt you or I will ever see any effects of the proceedings that follow..
  
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Reply #18 - 06/28/16 at 2:38pm
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Here's a nice quote from a WCNC article:

Two former Whitewater Center employees told NBC Charlotte that none of this surprises them. One of them said the water was dirty, and in fact, some workers got sick because of it. "We called it river rot," the unidentified former employee said, "It's where your foot gets wet and if you have cuts, they never heal and eventually gets infected from whatever."

As mtbchk mentioned, and now I've heard from a couple other sources, the filtration system required frequent maintenance and wasn't running all the time. USNWC leaders aren't talking to media. What they need is transparency and openness, not going into turtle mode.
  
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Reply #19 - 06/28/16 at 2:53pm
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I'm curious why noone has mentioned the fact that they make you sign a release waiver when you buy tickets.

"I further understand and agree that the USNWC shall have no duty to warn me of or to remedy any natural or manmade risks, dangers, or
hazards."

taken straight from the release form. it goes on to discuss indemnity and an acknowledgement to not sue for liability or claims which include death in the lists throughout the document. 

this is not to say that they wont get sued, but they have a little bit of extra coverage on their part. I feel for the family that lost a loved one, but USNWC is probably pretty well covered for their liability in this case.
  
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