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Reply #80 - 07/28/16 at 4:14pm
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VpointVick wrote on 07/28/16 at 3:22pm:
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Newly released plan for treatment and discharge of the water in preparation for resuming white water activities. Looks like they'll be dumping at the discharge above the entrance to Figure 8? Can we hope to get a head's up if it's going to impact trails being open?



Why would it have any impact on trial statuses?
  
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Reply #81 - 07/28/16 at 4:30pm
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ChosenOne wrote on 07/28/16 at 4:14pm:



Why would it have any impact on trial statuses?


It shouldn't have too much of an impact on the trail. Several years ago I, Frank Pietras (old club trail coordinator for the trail/Catawba) Tim Betincort and Lee all met and looked at that area.  It was staying really muddy and that's when the plan to build all of the elevated bridges in that area was hatched and then built by WWC staff.

Whatever the impact I'm sure the USNWC will address it.
  
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Re: The future of the WWC
Reply #82 - 07/29/16 at 1:54am
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ChosenOne wrote on 07/28/16 at 4:14pm:



Why would it have any impact on trial statuses?

Where the main discharge area is the trail is elevated, but there's a spot right at the entrance to Figure 8 that can get a little flooded when rains are heavy. I was thinking that this might be a particularly heavy runoff and might necessitate closing Figure 8.
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Reply #83 - 07/29/16 at 2:02am
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VpointVick wrote on 07/29/16 at 1:54am:

Where the main discharge area is the trail is elevated, but there's a spot right at the entrance to Figure 8 that can get a little flooded when rains are heavy. I was thinking that this might be a particularly heavy runoff and might necessitate closing Figure 8.
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That gravel crossing used to ALWAYS be wet and somewhat flooded.  Interesting thing is this year I cannot remember a time where it has been wet.  I believe they used to run off a good bit of water in years past not so much this year.

  
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Reply #84 - 07/29/16 at 12:49pm
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I didn't get a chance to ride yesterday...  How was the river jam last night.
  
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Reply #85 - 07/29/16 at 1:16pm
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I was thinking the same thing...The WWC used to purge water from the system regularly ( I base this on the gravel/rock crossing at the beginning of Fig 8).  Haven't seen that happen (maybe I didn't notice or the water runoff is more efficient) in a long time??  Hmmmmmm.  Related to the Water Quality Issue???  Seems like you need to change the bath water at some point???

Not trying to knock the WWC....love that place....just a curious mind.    

I guess that's why they can't use Salt Water......if you did you couldn't dump it into the Catawba???

But you could pump it into a holding tank....heat it....steam off the salt then push it into the Catawba.   

No Chemicals needed and the capital expense would be limited........Hmmmmm....I'd design this for the WWC in return for a discount on HD&R???
  
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Reply #86 - 07/30/16 at 12:59pm
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Should B Faster wrote on 07/29/16 at 1:16pm:


But you could pump it into a holding tank....heat it....steam off the salt then push it into the Catawba.   



Well, that would be a 12 million gallon tank.  Shocked

  
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Reply #87 - 07/30/16 at 2:00pm
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I was wrong... they closed the Figure 8 trail.

If you want to hit the CTT you need to take the gravel road at the top of the front overflow lot back to the figure8 tower construction road on the left about 1/4 mile after you cross the power lines.  This road will take you to the beginning of the CTT.

  
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Reply #88 - 07/30/16 at 2:02pm
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River Jam was dead and the entrance to  the black diamond Figure Eight  trails was taped off.  Riders were forced to go left on to side hill
  
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Reply #89 - 07/31/16 at 1:52pm
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Think we are missing something here.  While closing the trail is politically and legally wise, the water being discharged has been chlorinated twice and is most likely cleaner than the ground water over which it runs and certainly more so than the Catawaba River where it winds up. I for one will have zero concerns riding that section of trail or paddling the White Water channels once they re-open.
  
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Re: The future of the WWC
Reply #90 - 07/31/16 at 2:27pm
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NC Kingsting wrote on 07/31/16 at 1:52pm:
Think we are missing something here.  While closing the trail is politically and legally wise, the water being discharged has been chlorinated twice and is most likely cleaner than the ground water over which it runs and certainly more so than the Catawaba River where it winds up. I for one will have zero concerns riding that section of trail or paddling the White Water channels once they re-open.


Agreed.

The closure is probably to keep the media from showing the "amoeba water" being discharged live on the 6 o'clock news.

PS: Not sure who watches the 6 o'clock news anymore...
  
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Reply #91 - 07/31/16 at 2:31pm
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abruzzopat wrote on 07/31/16 at 2:27pm:


Agreed.

The closure is probably to keep the media from showing the "amoeba water" being discharged live on the 6 o'clock news.

PS: Not sure who watches the 6 o'clock news anymore...



6 o'clock news.. that's rich...

Trails are blocked so the news can't tweet pictures of "amoeba water" to all the knee jerk soccer moms all day every day
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Reply #92 - 07/31/16 at 4:35pm
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More than likely it's closed to prevent trail damage in the discharge area and to keep people from "exploring" the area so they're not a liability.  Much like when they're doing construction on a new zip line or Ewok village.
  
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Reply #93 - 07/31/16 at 4:41pm
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News cameras were at the WWC early today.
  
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Reply #94 - 07/31/16 at 6:04pm
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36 had live reports on site at 9am today.
  
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Reply #95 - 07/31/16 at 6:43pm
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i wonder why.........................................................
  
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Reply #96 - 07/31/16 at 7:38pm
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Probably had live coverage because Newton and Company were not headed to the bathroom or something else important.
  
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Reply #97 - 08/01/16 at 12:43am
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Surprised this hasn't headline news in China the way "Commie Media" has really blown this whole this waaaaaaaaay outa proportion!!! Seems the "media" only thinks this amoeba is only in the WWC and nowhere else on earth. I hate the media! All MEDIA
  
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Reply #98 - 08/01/16 at 1:52pm
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Should B Faster wrote on 07/29/16 at 1:16pm:
    

I guess that's why they can't use Salt Water......if you did you couldn't dump it into the Catawba???

But you could pump it into a holding tank....heat it....steam off the salt then push it into the Catawba.   

No Chemicals needed and the capital expense would be limited........Hmmmmm....I'd design this for the WWC in return for a discount on HD&R???


That is probably a big part of it, but not the only part.

Putting aside the engineering challenges for a moment, I imagine one of the major concerns is that saltwater might turn some people off to using the facilities in the first place. 


Ok, now back to the engineering challenges...

Purging the water would definitely be more of an issue if it were salt water. Also, the current pumps, piping and filtration system were probably not designed for saltwater and it may cause excessive corrosion on the infrastructure. 

I know the salt in typical saltwater pools is not noticeable, but those systems have very low salinity levels and were designed to use electrolytic plates to convert the salt into chlorine, on an as needed basis, in order to keep the water sanitized. So, that is kind of missing the point. A salt water chlorination system is really just a complicated and expensive way of adding chlorine to the water.

I am curious to know what salt concentration would be necessary to make the water uninhabitable to the amoebas, and know where that salinity level falls on a scale between "fresh water" and "ocean water". Based on some quick google searching, ocean water has anywhere from 8 to 14 times the salinity level of an average salt water pool. 
  
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Reply #99 - 08/01/16 at 4:04pm
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Not sure who watches the 6 o'clock news anymore...


I do. Any if there's any reason to report on the WWC, they drive home the fact that the WWC was closed due to A BRAIN-EATING AMEOBA!!!   

I always appreciate the media's effort to provide timely, relevant information in a restrained manner.
  
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