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Re: Anne Springs Greenway
Reply #100 - 08/01/17 at 1:39am
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IntheBush wrote on 07/31/17 at 1:30am:


It's not a matter of being sanitized. That's just the local terrain and soil composition.
It's a matter of trail erosion.
You like rutted, rooted and eroded trails? You're going to have to give it time. Time for the soil to wash away.
The other option is to create man made obstacles and speed bumps, or ride an older trail. 
There's no conspiracy. That's trail building 101.


If it's designed "properly"/sustainably, it shouldn't erode very much.
You can actually design a trail with bumps and challenging features. Creating a smooth track that drains poorly and waiting for it to erode and get challenging is not trail building 101.
  
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Reply #101 - 08/01/17 at 1:53am
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hardtales wrote on 08/01/17 at 1:39am:


If it's designed "properly"/sustainably, it shouldn't erode very much.


All trails made of dirt, erode. 
Period.

hardtales wrote on 08/01/17 at 1:39am:

You can actually design a trail with bumps and challenging features. Creating a smooth track that drains poorly and waiting for it to erode and get challenging is not trail building 101.


Have you actually ridden the new trails at Springs? 

The drainage is excellent. The trail follows the natural topography of the land and there are plenty of bumps, humps, switchbacks, dips and visible roots that are just now coming to the surface. And the School loop west portion has retained plenty of it's old character.

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Listen, this is real simple. Spring's didn't do this because they wanted too. They lost property rights to use the trails east of 460. These trails were not on Springs property. My feeling is, one should feel somewhat fortunate that they are choosing to build new trails. Instead of just leaving it as is.
Besides, if you choose, you can still access the old trails with a little effort. 
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Re: Anne Springs Greenway
Reply #102 - 08/01/17 at 2:34am
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I'm not attempting to state any opinion on the loss of the Sugar loop, or the blasphemous practice of providing trails for hikers and horses that bikes aren't allowed on Wink ... it just sounded like you were saying that the only way to get rooty trails is to wait. Probably a misunderstanding. 

I have ridden the Paradise loop, but only a couple times. Should get there more often, since it's so close.

Nice air, BTW. Is that pic from Anne Springs?
  
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Reply #103 - 08/01/17 at 2:49am
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Jeez - I can just imagine the griping everyone would be doing if they just let Sugar go away and didn't build any new stuff at all. 

So, I found this on the website of the company thats building the trails. There is even a map of what they plan on building on the Prairie side.

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Re: Anne Springs Greenway
Reply #104 - 08/01/17 at 3:21am
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hardtales wrote on 08/01/17 at 2:34am:
I'm not attempting to state any opinion on the loss of the Sugar loop, or the blasphemous practice of providing trails for hikers and horses that bikes aren't allowed on Wink ... it just sounded like you were saying that the only way to get rooty trails is to wait. Probably a misunderstanding. 

I have ridden the Paradise loop, but only a couple times. Should get there more often, since it's so close.

Nice air, BTW. Is that pic from Anne Springs?

Oh, I can make those without any wait at all! Grin
  
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Reply #105 - 08/01/17 at 11:43am
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JokerSC wrote on 08/01/17 at 2:49am:
Jeez - I can just imagine the griping everyone would be doing if they just let Sugar go away and didn't build any new stuff at all. 

So, I found this on the website of the company thats building the trails. There is even a map of what they plan on building on the Prairie side.

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Reply #106 - 08/01/17 at 1:19pm
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Interesting because the new/proposed trail map requires you to walk your bike from paradise to prairie along a hiking only trail. There's no bike connection with the closed current trail on the map.
  
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Reply #107 - 08/01/17 at 3:21pm
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Master Shake wrote on 08/01/17 at 1:19pm:
Interesting because the new/proposed trail map requires you to walk your bike from paradise to prairie along a hiking only trail. There's no bike connection with the closed current trail on the map.


I don't think you are reading the map right.  You can either ride the tunnel trail or the old School Loop West, go under the Springfield Ave bridge, and then cross the old road bridge onto Prairie. Nothing has changed down in that section.
  
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Re: Anne Springs Greenway
Reply #108 - 08/01/17 at 4:35pm
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My opinion only is everyone should ride the kind of trail they like and not complain so much about what you don't like.  Many of the younger and newer riders in this area are not aware of how lucky they have it compared to the early 2000's.  Our system of trails has expanded 5X what it was back in 2002.  Everyone is incredibly fortunate to have the awesome/well maintained/diverse trails we have in the area.

I'm proud to have been a part of making that happen since joining the club in late 2001 and moving forward into the future.

The club has another 20-30 miles of trail still on the burner that will be getting built in the next 3-5 years and it will be some amazing trail indeed!  We have a great group of volunteers but always welcome more help.

"All trails are local."

"Many hands make light the load."

Off my soap box.

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Reply #109 - 08/02/17 at 6:25pm
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Video of some of the Paradise Loop at ASC

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Reply #110 - 08/02/17 at 7:26pm
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Reply #111 - 08/02/17 at 9:55pm
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Spent time there today, love how flowy this trail is. Kudos to the peeps who designed and built it. Want more!

Thank you!

  
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Reply #112 - 08/02/17 at 10:01pm
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Master Shake wrote on 08/01/17 at 1:19pm:
Interesting because the new/proposed trail map requires you to walk your bike from paradise to prairie along a hiking only trail. There's no bike connection with the closed current trail on the map.


That's called the tunnel trail.

I don't walk my bike.
  
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Reply #113 - 08/03/17 at 4:44pm
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JokerSC wrote on 08/01/17 at 3:21pm:


I don't think you are reading the map right.  You can either ride the tunnel trail or the old School Loop West, go under the Springfield Ave bridge, and then cross the old road bridge onto Prairie. Nothing has changed down in that section.


I was being flippant because the map in the link shows a small dashed red line after the solid red line indicating closed existing trail between the tunnel and prairie between marker 28 and 27.  You are indeed correct that the tunnel trail is open through that whole stretch and still connects to prairie. I went out and rode it myself after my post.
  
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Reply #114 - 08/03/17 at 8:20pm
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sager wrote on 08/01/17 at 11:43am:


interesting



It is. It looks like some of the following:

1.  a re-route of the old road downhill to/climb from the old bridge so you ride through the woods instead of the double track.....
2. same thing coming to/from the gravity cavity, getting you off the old fire road
2. There looks to be a stand alone section across the long suspension bridge across Blue Star
3. More added trail throughout the prairie area, looks like 3 miles or so up there.

Overall it looks like 4-5 miles of new trail. And it will be all single track instead of the fire roads being used now

It will fun trying to put a good loop out there 

  
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Reply #115 - 08/03/17 at 9:57pm
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Handcut singletrack or machine cut? Big big difference.
  
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Reply #116 - 08/03/17 at 11:14pm
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Judging by the recent additions will he machine cut
  
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Reply #117 - 08/03/17 at 11:39pm
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JokerSC wrote on 08/01/17 at 2:49am:
Jeez - I can just imagine the griping everyone would be doing if they just let Sugar go away and didn't build any new stuff at all. 

So, I found this on the website of the company thats building the trails. There is even a map of what they plan on building on the Prairie side.

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This is fantastic!!  Paradise is fun to ride and makes up for the loss of Sugar in my eyes. Thank you!!!!

Not to be greedie but is there a timeframe on the new trails northwest of the Prairie Loop? This says November 2016? Does anyone know?

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Reply #118 - 08/04/17 at 2:43am
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worker-rider wrote on 08/03/17 at 9:57pm:
Handcut singletrack or machine cut? Big big difference.


I am guessing machine cut too. They are being pretty ambitious with the mileage, if that's hand cut it would take a long time, as you well know! Smiley
  
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Reply #119 - 09/18/17 at 2:20pm
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I finally rode ASC again this weekend, I like the new stuff.  Smooth and fast for now but will root out in a few years I'm sure.  I miss sugar like everyone else, maybe it will survive in some form after all the construction is in.  The price has gone up to $5......It's too bad they can't open up the horse trails to bikers maybe 1-2 weekends a month and maybe once a week, etc.  I would visit a LOT more.
  
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