I'm going to go ahead and clog all of the forums this morning.  In for the workday.

Am curious to see the route.  That project has been a priority for years, but the far end of the Thread corridor is hemmed in between a swamp and private property.  Wonder if they finally found a way to use the private property?

lee flythe wrote on 09/19/17 at 6:39pm:


They got permission to use some of the Private Property

Doc00t wrote on 09/19/17 at 7:12pm:



That's great news.  Awesome terrain over there.  Wishing I could have been involved given all the time I spent searching for a solution to the loop issue.   

Maybe while they're at it they'll be able to shift some of the other swampy sections to higher ground.   
The original Thread corridor is all in a flood plain (or something similar.....specifics elude me), and the trail is built on the highest ground available in the corridor, in many cases right up against the property line.  Even moving the trial a dozen feet or so to the opposite side of the line would provide much higher ground than the trail was originally allowed to utilize.

ChosenOne wrote on 09/21/17 at 5:21pm:



50-60ft away is preferable to some of the previous concepts which had been proposed.  I've walked that property with upper management multiple times where I had to talk them out of (1.) building the loop in the sewer line easement which spends half the year under water, or (2.) building the loop in the existing CTT easement, which would mean two trails would be no more than 10ft apart in most cases, and in some cases trails would be on opposite sides of the same tree.  Venturing 50-60ft away into the private property is a MUCH better solution than either of those options.

As for the mud-holes......in my own defense.......I suggested MANY ways to fix them in the past and none were approved.  I've suggested wooden boardwalks (which I hear they built one......I haven't seen it yet), I've suggested raising the trailbed with ballast stone, I've suggested paving stones, I've suggested re-routing into the private property (but we didn't have permission at the time), and none of those things were approved by upper management.  I finally succumbed to frustration, cut up a bunch of small cedar, laid them neatly in the mudholes, and walked away.  That improved things for a short while, until high waters floated the logs away (guess I should have pinned them in with rebar.

Upper management kept telling me to fix the issue, but would not allow me to employ any effective technique.  They seemed to think I could "fill in" the holes with dirt (which would simply turn to slop as soon as it got wet) and fix the problem.  At some point I turned my attention to winnable battles elsewhere in the trail system and let the CTT fend for itself. In the end, that was probably a major factor in my removal.  I was blamed for not fixing a problem I was not allowed to fix.

I am happy to add that Recovery brand will be there so that means shirts for volunteers, drink vouches, and I hear some socks from the Interbike folks.

I be there slingin dirt!  My group built a pretty sweet jump last year.  I'm looking forward to more of the same this year 

Meeting at the North parking lot trailhead @ 1:00.  We will be working on doing the finishing work on the end of the thread trail.  Heard from Tim K. from the Whitewater Center this morning:

"there is going to be a lot of flat shovel work especially for a couple hips/jumps and rollers, we are going through pine forest at the end so there is a bunch of loam and really duffy material, so just making drainage really effective is going to be the key"

So it looks like we will get a chance to dial it in which is pretty cool.  Look forward to seeing everyone out there.  Shirts from Recoverybrands.com, Socks from Interbike folks, and some free drink vouchers from the bar afterwords.  Sweet deal.

Doc00t wrote on 10/16/17 at 2:58pm:


Which one is that? Same place as last year?

Anybody know what's up with the fun Enduro event they had planned as part of this event?  Had seen it on the USNWC web site earlier and now it's gone. I see a CX race and a road ride but didn't see anything MTB related on either the Cyclofest site or the White Water one. Was I sniffing glue or did that get retracted for some reason?