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Reply #1 - 12/19/19 at 12:22pm
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Yep.

It's always been that way, but to a lesser extent..
Sadly, it's the common culture here.

It just seems more now because it has become more accessible and easier and there are just more and more regular people doing it.

  

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I read the article twice to see what the author was actually bitching about. Is it because his local trails are now busier? Other riders are driving trucks and vans instead of pedaling to the trailhead?
  
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These people are enjoying bikes in a way that is different from me and therefore bad. While you're here buy my adventure journal, it's like regular paper except $13.
  
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I think all of this can be solved by one thing.

Don't be a dick.

Trails are for everybody.  Endurbros, XC race spandex dudes, cross bike riders, hikers, horseback riders, deer, squirrels, potheads, beatniks, everybody.

Just be nice.  If a guy wants to run around and beat Strava records, so what?  Either play along, or pick up a shovel and change it.
  
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I just wondered why folks come up behind you and say apsolutly nothing. Am I supposed to know they want to pass. And when I do move, they get mad because they believe that I should stop to let them by. Another thing, the last time I was at Pisgah, a group of riders asked if I was going to ride "that bike" they said I would beat myself up, or worse. Get injured or die. I felt the same way I always felt when I finished there. Which was good. Is that what beat up is supposed to be like. Even the bike shop owner, who originally sold me on the bike. Said it was for around here, that I would need an FS if I wanted to ride out there. I asked the other day what certain trails were like that I haven't ridden. Someone answered and said I wouldn't like the trails. I never asked weather I would like them or not. I've seen a lot of folks talk about riding them, and wondered what they were like. It just doesn't seem as fun as it once was. Oh well,tis is life......
  
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SirNotAppearing wrote on 12/19/19 at 6:41pm:
These people are enjoying bikes in a way that is different from me and therefore bad. While you're here buy my adventure journal, it's like regular paper except $13.

It says on the site that the paper is the same as waterproof maps
  
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DrewK wrote on 12/19/19 at 6:46pm:
I think all of this can be solved by one thing.

Don't be a dick.

Trails are for everybody.† Endurbros, XC race spandex dudes, cross bike riders, hikers, horseback riders, deer, squirrels, potheads, beatniks, everybody.

Just be nice.† If a guy wants to run around and beat Strava records, so what?† Either play along, or pick up a shovel and change it.

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ROrange Rider wrote on 12/19/19 at 7:36pm:
I just wondered why folks come up behind you and say apsolutly nothing. Am I supposed to know they want to pass. And when I do move, they get mad because they believe that I should stop to let them by. Another thing, the last time I was at Pisgah, a group of riders asked if I was going to ride "that bike" they said I would beat myself up, or worse. Get injured or die. I felt the same way I always felt when I finished there. Which was good. Is that what beat up is supposed to be like. Even the bike shop owner, who originally sold me on the bike. Said it was for around here, that I would need an FS if I wanted to ride out there. I asked the other day what certain trails were like that I haven't ridden. Someone answered and said I wouldn't like the trails. I never asked weather I would like them or not. I've seen a lot of folks talk about riding them, and wondered what they were like. It just doesn't seem as fun as it once was. Oh well,tis is life......


Why do you care so much what other people think?  Do what makes you happy and move on.

I've done more miles in Pisgah on a hardtail than I care to remember, both fun rides and races.  I've also done them on an "endurbrobike."  Both are fun.

Ride your bike, have fun, if somebody else gets mad, just ignore them.  Illegitimui non carborundum est!
  
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It comes off like a curmudgeon who's not happy that everyone has discovered how great it is. The growing popularity of the sport has brought a lot of new people and there are bound to be some growing pains but also more trail than we could have ever imagined. 

Hard to say don't be a dick when he comes off as one himself IMHO. Just ride your ride, enjoy yourself and dodge the turtles. To quote the great Rocky... RAMFB

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ROrange Rider wrote on 12/19/19 at 7:36pm:
I just wondered why folks come up behind you and say apsolutly nothing. Am I supposed to know they want to pass. And when I do move, they get mad because they believe that I should stop to let them by. Another thing, the last time I was at Pisgah, a group of riders asked if I was going to ride "that bike" they said I would beat myself up, or worse. Get injured or die. I felt the same way I always felt when I finished there. Which was good. Is that what beat up is supposed to be like. Even the bike shop owner, who originally sold me on the bike. Said it was for around here, that I would need an FS if I wanted to ride out there. I asked the other day what certain trails were like that I haven't ridden. Someone answered and said I wouldn't like the trails. I never asked weather I would like them or not. I've seen a lot of folks talk about riding them, and wondered what they were like. It just doesn't seem as fun as it once was. Oh well,tis is life......


I think all of this says more about you than every other single rider in the sport. I recently rode a 3rd hand hardtail in Pisgah, and had the exact same conversation with strangers trailside. But there was no malice in their intent, we all laughed and I rode the bike anyways. If you assume the other trail users are generally happy, positive people, you'll be pleasantly surprised. If you have an inferiority complex and assume everyone is judging you, then you'll probably find that too.
  
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Reply #11 - 12/19/19 at 9:37pm
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drdirt55 wrote on 12/19/19 at 8:38pm:
It comes off like a curmudgeon who's not happy that everyone has discovered how great it is. The growing popularity of the sport has brought a lot of new people and there are bound to be some growing pains but also more trail than we could have ever imagined. 

Hard to say don't be a dick when he comes off as one himself IMHO. Just ride your ride, enjoy yourself and dodge the turtles. To quote the great Rocky... RAMFB

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Don't be a dick is kind of my philosophy for life.  Another way to say... "just be nice."
  
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IntheBush wrote on 12/19/19 at 12:22pm:
Yep.

It just seems more now because it has become more accessible and easier and there are just more and more regular people doing it.



Soooo, in the before time, long, long, ago it was better because it mostly "non regular" people doing it?

While, I can relate to a lot of what the Mike C. is crying about this is the progress of mankind.  Deal with it.  Everything has changed in 20 years. 







  
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IntheBush wrote on 12/19/19 at 12:22pm:
Yep.

Sadly, it's the common culture here.



And where exactly do you mean by "here" Mr. Bush?
  
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It's like everything else , mountain biking has become mainstream. Bikes are sold but no real education about bikes are offered. Now a days, if a trail is too hard, it seems like folks take upon themselves to make it easier. I think local trails shouldn't be made to be difficult as riding in the steep mountains. But all in all, I just want to ride 🚵
  
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Reply #15 - 12/20/19 at 7:29pm
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It's like everything else , mountain biking has become mainstream. Bikes are sold but no real education about bikes are offered. Now a days, if a trail is too hard, it seems like folks take upon themselves to make it easier. I think local trails shouldn't be made to be difficult as riding in the steep mountains. But all in all, I just want to ride 🚵

I disagree. I think there should be a variety of difficulty in our trail system.  I'm still trying to find a way to make people cry on their bikes at Fisher Farm!!   Grin Grin
  

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SurlyDave wrote on 12/20/19 at 3:49am:


And where exactly do you mean by "here" Mr. Bush?


Just what I said.

It's a competitive society, for better or worse.
For some that means bully rules, law of the jungle.
I can remember when I-77 and S. Blvd. were peaceful roads and except for maybe a fat lip, you didn't have to worry about your kid going to school or your wife running a trail by herself.

You think the outdoors and mountain biking is immune to the overall culture we live in? And the overall direction it seems to be heading.

  

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Soooo, in the before time, long, long, ago it was better because it mostly "non regular" people doing it?

While, I can relate to a lot of what the Mike C. is crying about this is the progress of mankind.† Deal with it.† Everything has changed in 20 years. 



The progress of mankind? 

Ok† Smiley

Let's just say, a long time ago there were 'less' people doing it.

You seen Everest lately? 

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Man just let it go. Some of us have spent many hours out on that property and wonít it to also open but you just donít get it. No where to park and if someone is driving in while you are trying to get out you are just stuck! So what do you not understand here. No place to park yet!!!!!! I have yet to see flags for where the parking lot is going. The new property owners hold all the cards and we are at their mercy! This is truth!!!!
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TRUTH....† Now thereís a topic to put a bit of NoX into slow holiday weekend. The reality is that truth is a very objective concept. Dependent upon ones perspective, the same event, accurately reported by both sides will be different. We just have different starting points from which we draw conclusions from. 

That having been said, here are some FACTS that I have observed over several decades of riding a variety of cycling discliplines. 

1). Since 1990 when I first started trail riding the amount of trail available for folks to ride has grown has exploded. We have an incredible amount and diversity of trail avable to ride today.† The concept of diverse types of trails from XC / flow, to shuttled DH, to jump lines just didnít exist when the sport started. The best you could hope for back in the day was deer trail and jumping garbage cans with a ramp made of a saw horse and 4x8 sheet of ply wood. Bottom line, we are BLESSED to be living at this point in time and we aught to get off our asses and enjoy as many of these options as we can.

2). We are not alone in noticing that off road cycling is pretty damn cool. It is incredible to see the stuff that is being done on bikes today. A couple of weeks ago I saw a bmx stunt show at half time of the Panthers game. Iíve been lucky enough to see MTB and BMX included in the Olympics.† And just this past fall the WC series came to WV.† Our sports have received an enormous amount of publicity over the past few years - well beyond anything that could have been imagined early in our sports history. However, publicity is a double edged sword. While it generates an incredible number of opportunities it comes at a price: more public acceptance of our sport yields more miles of trails, but more people on them. And as the population increases the potential for differences of opinions in whatís desirable goes up as well. Generally speaking this is a good thing as it allows the sport to evolve and continue to be relevant as time passes. The key to this is that we keep focused on our COMMON LOVE FOR RIDING BIKES OFF-ROAD. If you can keep that big picture in mind I think you will find that you have a much more enjoyable time on the trail. 

3). Finally, there will always be an imbalance between the amount of any given thing and the willingness to maintain it in good condition.† The unfortionate reality is that the Pareto rule (80/20 rule) really does exist. What surprises me as I write this is how many ways that rule can be spun when making an argument. (Trail work, trail damage, etc). Whatís important, in my opinion, is not where you fall in the ratio but how you manage that reality. Canít make a trail work day, do you sit back and do nothing or contribute another way like IT, marketing or volunteering at a race / clinic. Riding hard and case a jump causing damage to the trail, do you fix it or leave it for another to deal with?† IS THE GLASS HALF FULL OR HALF EMPTY. Regardless of which side of the ratio you fall on a given question the bottom line is this:† what are YOU going to do about it?

Ultimately I think the whole conversation comes down to this: CHARACTER. This is defined as the mental and moral characteristics of an individual.† Iíd like to challenge all of us to try and remember how lucky we are and frame our actions and responses around that knowledge as we work and play together in 2020. Hereís to hoping that we are able to be a little closer to applying that principal 80% of the time we spend together.
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It's just natural evolution whether you like it or not. InTheBush is spot on
  
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I disagree. I think there should be a variety of difficulty in our trail system.† I'm still trying to find a way to make people cry on their bikes at Fisher Farm!!† †Grin Grin

Truth if there ever was😂. Keep Fisher rough
  

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When I used to ride Fisher, I thought at the time it was fairly easy. Then over time it started getting harder, sort of a natural flow. And if you keep riding it, you will advance with the flow. There was a trail that opened a couple years ago that, because the designer didn't want to go with the trend in flow. Made the trail technically difficult. So now you have a trail that nobody rides, the parking lot is always empty. It's in an area where people were praying for trail that they could hit during their lunch hour, or a quick ride. I was hoping that if there was a flow trail thirty miles away, then there should be trail that's the same nearby. Get the folks on it, then add your nasty bits. I've noticed that a easy trail that opened not too long ago is getting a ton of riders, and seeing by their bikes. It seems like they should be riding at Fisher farm and like trails. And folks seem to be doing their own maintenance in attempt to make the trail even easier. In the long run it doesn't matter. I'm coming up on a week that I will be enjoying many days off. And it's raining 🤔🎅🙁
  
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Easy trails a problem?

Single speed, steel, rigid (review the photo at the left for an example)..

Side benefit, cheaper and easier to maintain as well.

Interesting to note, you don't see many of these bikes for sale down at your LBS.† †
Sort of like small cars or small houses in the U.S. 
Just not much profit in them, your hero on TV doesn't ride one (because his sponsor aint into that old fashioned s.it), you wont set any records on strava, and they wont impress your friends when they see you pushing it.† Smiley
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Truth, a 5 year old hit the step up at Cedar Valley

  

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Truth, a 5 year old hit the step up at Cedar Valley


Your gonna need good health insurance for that kid 😂
  
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That article seemed kind of convoluted to me.  Is the issue trail damage and cheater lines?  Or is it with people who choose to ride fast?  Racing is part and parcel of mountain biking.  It's something most of us either do or have tried at some point.  Yes if the issue was about safety and someone buzzed him then it might be a different story, but he was complaining about people who rode fast before he even got there.  If you guys agree that "trails" are an endangered species then I might be wrong, but it seems we have more and better trail options than ever before thanks to the increase in popularity.
  
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That article seemed kind of convoluted to me.† Is the issue trail damage and cheater lines?† Or is it with people who choose to ride fast?† Racing is part and parcel of mountain biking.† It's something most of us either do or have tried at some point.† Yes if the issue was about safety and someone buzzed him then it might be a different story, but he was complaining about people who rode fast before he even got there.† If you guys agree that "trails" are an endangered species then I might be wrong, but it seems we have more and better trail options than ever before thanks to the increase in popularity.†


Coming soon to a trail near you?† 

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When I saw "dope smoke" within the first couple paragraphs I knew the author may be a bit pedantic for my taste.  Illinois is now the 11th state to legalize.  Oh and I guess he does not like music either.  Demonizing Red Bull with the crushed can remark as though that's the first time litter has aggravated this guy was annoying too and seemingly  allowed him to condemn an entire genre of athletes in wholesale fashion.
  
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I disagree. I think there should be a variety of difficulty in our trail system.† I'm still trying to find a way to make people cry on their bikes at Fisher Farm!!† †Grin Grin

This explains a lot...

It's nice to see you around Bush!  Nothings changed I see.  You're still that old angry weird single speeder from the looks of it.  I take it you drive only retro cars on dirt roads and live in retro house and eat retro food and date retro men?  Asking for a friend who is also retro...
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I think what he is saying is that so many more people enjoying the same thing he enjoys has taken some of the enjoyment away for him. : )

I get that to a degree. The trails are more crowed, thats just a fact, but you cant put the genie back in the bottle



  

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