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10/27/20 at 1:26pm
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so..   I've had a lotta the fast guys roll up on me in total silence on the trail and be on my wheel for a bit before I realize they're there.   Once I realize it I get outta the way as soon as I can so they can keep riding
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When I roll up on someone I call out "right behind you" or some such so they know I'm there (sometimes the newbies have no clue what to do and just keep on keeping on until I politely ask them to let me pass  Smiley  ) but anybody who rides pretty much pulls to the side soon as they can.

What do folks think the right way to do this is?  I mean if I don't know you're there I can't let you pass - but I don't wanna be the jerk calling out either and putting a bell on a mountain bike really doesn't work since they constantly chime!
  

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Reply #1 - 10/27/20 at 1:47pm
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I use the "On your left" when coming up on someone slower and usually just try to keep my ears open as much as possible for people coming up behind me when I'm going slow, which is usually the case lol.
  
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Get some I9 hubs and they will hear you coming a mile away.😂😂
  
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Reply #3 - 10/27/20 at 5:32pm
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I'm super paranoid about people coming up behind me so I feel like I'm always looking for and expecting someone to. When it does happen, I try to slide off to the side before they even have a chance to say anything
  
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Reply #4 - 10/27/20 at 7:23pm
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Three simple words

CLEAR THE TRAIL!

Or, my personal favorite from a Stravatard stuck behind my slow ass @ LNSP.† "You're killing my lap time"


The above actual yet sad examples aside, if I want around someone I'll call out "Pass when you get a chance?". If someone rolls up on me and asks to go around, I get out of their way when it's safe to do so.† 

If I'm moving at a good pace and someone is sitting on my wheel grunting and isn't asking to go around, I'm not pulling over.† If they want around badly enough they'll force pass or ask.†
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Reply #5 - 10/27/20 at 9:19pm
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Yep, letting the guy in front know your there is always a great idea..

Make way for the old guy always works for me.

But I have seen cases where the overtaken overreact in a poor passing area as well. 
I don't mind trailing them a little until there's a good place to pass.
But again, generally speaking I like to know they are there (and I usually do), and I usually let them know I'm there as well.

So, I think the best way to handle this is no obligation to let 'em you know you're trailing them. But give 'em plenty of warning if you want to pass. 

Never had anybody cut me off trying a no warning pass, knock on wood.
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Reply #6 - 10/28/20 at 7:37am
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I bought a small trail bell recently.  If I notice a slow rider ahead, Iíll give it a little ding before I get to them.   If when I get there they are still being stubborn, a simple 
ďmind if I passĒ usually works.
  

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Reply #7 - 10/29/20 at 10:27am
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If a faster rider comes up behind you and doesn't immediately ask you to pass, relax!  It probably means they don't feel the need to urgently pass you.  They may be just out having fun, not trying to get a KOM or they be assessing the terrain and recognizing that passing at this point is no good.   In those cases, calling out, might cause you to slow down or move over at that moment, even if it's not either necessary or desired.  In this case, they are typically content to slow down and pace you until either you hear them or it's a better opportunity for a safe pass.

Anyone looking to win a race will call out and try to get by you as fast as they can.
  
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Reply #8 - 10/31/20 at 8:04am
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I use the "On your left" when coming up on someone slower and usually just try to keep my ears open as much as possible for people coming up behind me when I'm going slow, which is usually the case lol.

On your left is a road term ment for passing cyclist on the road as to not to push the passed rider into traffic. Seeing as most trails are one way, if you are an experienced rider. You should be able to pass wherever nessesary. Just say "passing" and pass where you see the opening. A lot of newer riders, will move to the left when you mention on your left.
  
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sager wrote on 10/29/20 at 10:27am:
If a faster rider comes up behind you and doesn't immediately ask you to pass, relax!† It probably means they don't feel the need to urgently pass you.† They may be just out having fun, not trying to get a KOM or they be assessing the terrain and recognizing that passing at this point is no good.† †In those cases, calling out, might cause you to slow down or move over at that moment, even if it's not either necessary or desired.† In this case, they are typically content to slow down and pace you until either you hear them or it's a better opportunity for a safe pass.

Anyone looking to win a race will call out and try to get by you as fast as they can.

I like the folks who grunt and groan, and sigh when their behind you. What does it mean. I've waited in the parking lot for groups who look like their faster to go ahead, so I won't have to move aside by multi riders. But I have found that adjusting this and pumping that. Is the big attraction for these groups of riders, and it could take up to an hour before they hit the trail Cheesy
  
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Reply #10 - 10/31/20 at 9:38am
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ROrange Rider wrote on 10/31/20 at 8:04am:

On your left is a road term ment for passing cyclist on the road as to not to push the passed rider into traffic. Seeing as most trails are one way, if you are an experienced rider. You should be able to pass wherever nessesary. Just say "passing" and pass where you see the opening. A lot of newer riders, will move to the left when you mention on your left.


Left is my preferred side to pass on the mountain bike but I will call either side.  I have never called a side on the road bike but I only did one road bike race in my like and it was the double shot half mountain bike half road bike race and by the time we got to the road we were all spread out.
  

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Reply #11 - 11/01/20 at 9:30pm
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sager wrote on 10/29/20 at 10:27am:
If a faster rider comes up behind you and doesn't immediately ask you to pass, relax!† It probably means they don't feel the need to urgently pass you.† They may be just out having fun, not trying to get a KOM or they be assessing the terrain and recognizing that passing at this point is no good.† †In those cases, calling out, might cause you to slow down or move over at that moment, even if it's not either necessary or desired.† In this case, they are typically content to slow down and pace you until either you hear them or it's a better opportunity for a safe pass.

Anyone looking to win a race will call out and try to get by you as fast as they can.



This 100% I catch people and sometimes I use it as an excuse to catch my breath, or I don't want to spook you in the terrain your in. I try to be considerate of your ride as much as some people try to get out of the way ASAP. I hate when I say "Hows it going" behind someone and they almost crash into a tree trying to get out of the way. Make's me feel like a dick when I was trying to be nice. 

Just remember 99% of people that catch you don't care that much. and the ones that do suck. And please don't almost crash to let me by.
  

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Reply #12 - 11/01/20 at 10:26pm
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This 100% I catch people and sometimes I use it as an excuse to catch my breath, or I don't want to spook you in the terrain your in. I try to be considerate of your ride as much as some people try to get out of the way ASAP. I hate when I say "Hows it going" behind someone and they almost crash into a tree trying to get out of the way. Make's me feel like a dick when I was trying to be nice. 

Just remember 99% of people that catch you don't care that much. and the ones that do suck. And please don't almost crash to let me by.


Couldn't agree more.  I have loud hubs (Hope and I9) which helps me from sneaking up on anyone.  I usually cost a time or two as I'm coming up behind someone so that they can hear me coming.  If it's a somewhat technical section I'll try to be quiet so I don't spook someone if they seem like they're a beginner.

Some days I push harder than others, but generally speaking I'm not out there for KOM's.
  
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Reply #13 - 11/02/20 at 7:33am
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Yellowduck wrote on 10/31/20 at 9:38am:


Left is my preferred side to pass on the mountain bike but I will call either side.† I have never called a side on the road bike but I only did one road bike race in my like and it was the double shot half mountain bike half road bike race and by the time we got to the road we were all spread out.

Never really did a road bike race. But in group rides, it's preferred to pass on your left. If you try to pass on the right, you risk moving the over taken rider into the middle of the road.  Passing only on your left on the trail, seems like your hogging the trail. What if the left side that I'm riding on is the best line. Should I give that up because you just suggest it?
  
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Reply #14 - 11/02/20 at 7:36pm
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Keep right except to pass..

In my experience, clearly passing on the left is preferred in 99% of cases.
The natural tendency of experienced trail users when being passed is to keep right.
The only trail users I see moving left when being passed are the inexperienced.

If you're not in control of your ride, and you can't move to the right, your bad.
Similar to paying chicken with opposing direction riders especially in limited visibility areas, high speed passes in rough terrain just aren't smart or that common.
  

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IntheBush wrote on 11/02/20 at 7:36pm:
Keep right except to pass..

In my experience, clearly passing on the left is preferred in 99% of cases.
The natural tendency of experienced trail users when being passed is to keep right.
The only trail users I see moving left when being passed are the inexperienced.

If you're not in control of your ride, and you can't move to the right, your bad.
Similar to paying chicken with opposing direction riders especially in limited visibility areas, high speed passes in rough terrain just aren't smart or that common.



I've been riding for a while and have never heard this for mountain bike. I generally let the other rider stay on the trail, keep the main line and pass wherever its clear left or right just off trail. It's a trail in the woods the right side isn't always viable and just as I may want to get by lots of people don't want some stranger sitting on their wheel waiting for the perfect on your left spot. 

Just how I've looked at it, maybe I am wrong.
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Never really did a road bike race. But in group rides, it's preferred to pass on your left. If you try to pass on the right, you risk moving the over taken rider into the middle of the road.† Passing only on your left on the trail, seems like your hogging the trail. What if the left side that I'm riding on is the best line. Should I give that up because you just suggest it?


Two different rules of thought here.  Casual riding and racing.  When racing, it is upon the rider from behind to pass safely either on the right or the left.  Find a place, call it, and try to take it.  Most of the time you get it, sometimes I'd have to back off and try again.   

On a normal casual ride when I come up on a slower rider, I would normally let them know I'm back there and 9 times out of 10 they will pull over and let me by without a call.  I do the same when a faster rider comes up behind me.  That is the curious thing to do.  If I get caught behind someone who wont let me by I usually just ask if I can get by next chance they get instead of calling passes and forcing my way through.
  

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Yellowduck wrote on 11/03/20 at 8:22am:
† If I get caught behind someone who wont let me by I usually just ask if I can get by next chance they get instead of calling passes and forcing my way through.†


Big fan of that technique.
  
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IntheBush wrote on 11/02/20 at 7:36pm:
Keep right except to pass..

In my experience, clearly passing on the left is preferred in 99% of cases.
The natural tendency of experienced trail users when being passed is to keep right.
The only trail users I see moving left when being passed are the inexperienced.

If you're not in control of your ride, and you can't move to the right, your bad.
Similar to paying chicken with opposing direction riders especially in limited visibility areas, high speed passes in rough terrain just aren't smart or that common.

So your saying, even on a one way trail, I should always ride to the right. Doesn't seem correct on a narrow single track. Seems like you should be utilizing the whole trail.
  
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Curious what everyone's preferred technique is for passing a runner going the same direction with earbuds and music so loud he can't hear you shouting?  I've given a few guys heart attacks forcing my way around them because they didn't know I was there despite initial gentle reminders, then finally shouting.
  
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Curious what everyone's preferred technique is for passing a runner going the same direction with earbuds and music so loud he can't hear you shouting?† I've given a few guys heart attacks forcing my way around them because they didn't know I was there despite initial gentle reminders, then finally shouting.


I ask nice twice, I yell twice after that if I scare you too bad.
  

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ROrange Rider wrote on 11/03/20 at 12:59pm:

So your saying, even on a one way trail, I should always ride to the right. Doesn't seem correct on a narrow single track. Seems like you should be utilizing the whole trail.


Well, not necessarily.
And I also utilize the whole trail..
But that's generally what I do when somebody wants to pass. 
I move to the right, they pass on the left. 

That's why it's nice to know they are back there before they try to pass. So there are no 'misunderstandings'.

And if I'm passing somebody, I almost always do it on the left.
And let 'em know with adequate time that I'm passing.
The only exception would be if they are inexperienced and move to the left, but this almost never happens with bikers.

As somebody mentioned before, some lesser experienced guys/gals will move right and stop. This is somewhat annoying, and unnecessary. I simply don't pass in areas where there isn't enough room to get around 'em. And I'm just not in that much of a hurry..
And if they are trailing me, they'll know when it's time to pass, because I'll move right, slow a little and sometimes tell them. Experienced riders don't need to be told.
  

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TarheelRider wrote on 11/03/20 at 5:15pm:
Curious what everyone's preferred technique is for passing a runner going the same direction with earbuds and music so loud he can't hear you shouting?† I've given a few guys heart attacks forcing my way around them because they didn't know I was there despite initial gentle reminders, then finally shouting.


Same here with runners and bikes.  Sometimes I don't notice they have headphones in so I just end up talking to myself for a little while.  I'll yell a couple times in hopes they can hear me, but I'll just make my way by wherever I can after that.

I've actually had a biker get pretty mad at me for doing this.  I was behind him for a while before I noticed he had headphones.  I waited for a good place to pass (we were on weigh station at WWC which is pretty tight) and ended up getting cussed at.  We had a trailside chat and I don't think he wants to be my friend now...   Undecided
  
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TarheelRider wrote on 11/03/20 at 5:15pm:
Curious what everyone's preferred technique is for passing a runner going the same direction with earbuds and music so loud he can't hear you shouting?† I've given a few guys heart attacks forcing my way around them because they didn't know I was there despite initial gentle reminders, then finally shouting.


What else can you do?  Thats why runners are supposed to go the opposite way.
  

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Rode up behind a rider at WWC with earbuds in.  Called out, yelled several times while almost rubbing his rear tire with no response.  Finally, nailed his rear tire with my front and got his attention.  He wasn't happy but neither was I.  I just didn't understand that it was his day to have the trails to himself
  
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Anybody riding with two ear buds in is obviously inexperienced or is lacking some sense  Cheesy..

I don't use 'em while riding, but let me remind those who don't know the drill..

One earbud while on the trail if you must, or nothing at all. It's just common sense.
  

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IntheBush wrote on 11/04/20 at 8:56pm:
Anybody riding with two ear buds in is obviously inexperienced or is lacking some sense† Cheesy..

I don't use 'em while riding, but let me remind those who don't know the drill..

One earbud while on the trail if you must, or nothing at all. It's just common sense.


"It's just common sense"   Grin  I wish that were true...

Would be nice if the "offenders" were members here so they could chime in, but that's likely not the case.  Most THTB's know how to act on the trail.  WWC is tough given the amount of bikers it sees on a daily/weekly basis.
  
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Today I was out at Springs, and some jogger was running up the tunnel trail with two ear buds in.. I was closing on him at a good clip from behind.
Even though I called out a couple of times, it was clear he had no clue and couldn't hear squat.
Until I was about 3 feet off his rear end..
Then I yelled.. "HEY!"

He about jumped out of his running shorts and started apologizing profusely..  Grin
Suddenly a feeling of immense satisfaction overwhelmed me.

On the way by I suggested a single earbud may be a better idea.  Smiley
  

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Treat others the way you would like to be treated.

That about sums it up for me - passing or being passed.† I can't control other peoples' attitudes.† I try to be patient and courteous, and I try to ride trails that are remote or less traveled, or I ride during less popular times.

That said - I will never understand the whole earbuds thing.  I love my music - but not when I'm running or riding.  I can't imagine being that oblivious when your very life may depend on knowing what is going on around you.
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Curious what everyone's preferred technique is for passing a runner going the same direction with earbuds and music so loud he can't hear you shouting?† I've given a few guys heart attacks forcing my way around them because they didn't know I was there despite initial gentle reminders, then finally shouting.


Depending on where youíre riding the right side of the trail can be the side Iím avoiding. On a 29er hardtail that seems to roll over everything but going back to a full-suspension 27.5Ē sooner than later, and line choice is going to matter even more than it already does. That being said, Iím currently out of shape and sloooow so if I notice someone behind me Iíll pull to the side (typically the right from road riding days) or just off the trail for a break as my conditioning is horrible right now.
  
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If anyone is looking for a relatively cheap, bell that doesn't look goofy, and effectively alerts someone you're approaching to your presence, this has served me well. It only tends to "self-activate" in the roughest rock gardens or if I overshoot a landing and successfully "ring my bell". It even comes in in stealthy all black! More than once, it was mistaken for a dropper lost lever (before I installed an actual dropper post). Just make sure you keep it far enough away from your actual dropper lever so you don't do any unintended drooping.

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I'm on the clyde end of the spectrum and if I've caught you on the trail, you're probably a newb or I'm out of breath and not looking to looking to expend anymore energy than I have to lol. Most of the time, I'll just keep my distance and take the opportunity catch my breath but on the rare occasion that I want to pass, this thing saves me some energy. I'll still say hello, though, just to let you know I'm not a trying to be a dick! Cool
  
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