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Doc00t IB Room In The Loop Project Board Offline When in DOUBT, PEDAL it OUT Posts: 1785 Location: University Joined: 05/09/12	Here They Come... 08/31/19 at 5:46am	Print Post
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808golden Little Ring Offline More beer, please! Posts: 583 Location: LKNM Joined: 08/20/08	Re: Here They Come... Reply #1 - 08/31/19 at 9:11am	Print Post
	As in "Away we gooooooooo!". Maybe I shouldn't be selling my Levo...


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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #2 - 08/31/19 at 11:53am	Print Post
	Quote: "A pro-biking advocacy group called People for Bikes has been pushing to include e-bikes in various government rules, saying e-bikes make it easier for people with physical limitations to enjoy the benefits of biking." If you've got physical limitations, perhaps the back country isn't the best place for you..
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808golden Little Ring Offline More beer, please! Posts: 583 Location: LKNM Joined: 08/20/08	Re: Here They Come... Reply #3 - 08/31/19 at 9:01pm	Print Post
	IntheBush wrote on 08/31/19 at 11:53am: If you've got physical limitations, perhaps the back country isn't the best place for you.. I can't wait until the lawyers get involved, and start suing the industry for giving these people exactly what they wanted. Physical limitations are only one reason to ride them. They are plain fun. They require some exercise to operate, and can actually help an experienced rider improve in various ways. Plus just look at the bike industry. Every major brand has 3-4 models available. Heavy hitters like Shimano, Bosch and Yamaha all in. It’s happening. I suggest you try one and then give your opinion. No shade on a pedal bike and no shade to the dirt bike crowd, this is just a really sweet blend. Now heckle me for riding the ebike at LNSP, with wait for it...HEADPHONES! No he di’nt.


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FMWilly Coaster Bike Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 64 Location: Fort Mill, SC Joined: 11/28/16	Re: Here They Come... Reply #4 - 08/31/19 at 11:53pm	Print Post
	I wouldnt worry about ebikes taking over the trails. They are just too expensive for the general mountain bike demographic.


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mountainbiker90 Small Cog Offline Is it 5 yet?? Posts: 384 Joined: 01/22/06	Re: Here They Come... Reply #5 - 09/01/19 at 4:13pm	Print Post
	Just give it time. They will drop in price. I’ve read the bill and it’s not as bad as some make it to be. I’m old school though and don’t consider something with a motor as being ‘non-motorized’. The industry is pushing e-bikes hard. I mainly think this is because bike sales are flat and this is a ballooning new market to make money at. On the MTB side, I do think it’s a slippery slope.

	Yeah, to the best of my knowledge:)
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SurlyDave Small Cog Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 326 Location: Indian Trail Joined: 09/03/12	Re: Here They Come... Reply #6 - 09/01/19 at 8:35pm	Print Post
	The price is for sure dropping fast. I just witnessed 3 kids zipping around the neighborhood on 20 inch EBikes. Probably 11 to 13 years old, close 20mph, no pedaling, no helmet, no problem.... These weren't MTB's but the power to weight ratio was impressive even if they're mopeds disguised as bicycles.


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808golden Little Ring Offline More beer, please! Posts: 583 Location: LKNM Joined: 08/20/08	Re: Here They Come... Reply #7 - 09/03/19 at 12:02pm	Print Post
	e-bikes aren't any more expensive than a decent trail bike. This is happening and it's not a bad thing. Try one...on dirt, then give your opinion.


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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #8 - 09/03/19 at 5:37pm	Print Post
	Orange and his party are desperate for votes ahead of 2020.. They'll do anything. There, I said it. Open up a little virgin wilderness on behalf of the industry and a few grandpas and grandmas dying to enjoy mountain biking again, no problemo. Egomaniacs and Stravabags rejoice. Soon, you'll be halving your fastest time at our favorite trail either on the bike or off of it..

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808golden Little Ring Offline More beer, please! Posts: 583 Location: LKNM Joined: 08/20/08	Re: Here They Come... Reply #9 - 09/03/19 at 8:32pm	Print Post
	You sound like an undereducated DB. So ebikers are Trumpies now? Guess I’ll change my voter registration and buy a red hat. Or maybe I’ll just go for a ride...


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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #10 - 09/03/19 at 9:34pm	Print Post
	808golden wrote on 09/03/19 at 8:32pm: You sound like an undereducated DB. So ebikers are Trumpies now? Guess I’ll change my voter registration and buy a red hat. Or maybe I’ll just go for a ride... Well golden, I don't know if you bothered to check the topic or not.. But this thread's not about how exciting it is to ride your e-bike at your favorite local area trail. This thread is about the Interior Departments (an executive department of the Trump administration) decision to designate these contraptions as non-motorized vehicles (that just happen to have a motor) and allow their use in national parks and on other public lands..

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808golden Little Ring Offline More beer, please! Posts: 583 Location: LKNM Joined: 08/20/08	Re: Here They Come... Reply #11 - 09/03/19 at 10:27pm	Print Post
	Yep I read the article and it makes me happy. The act also opens up more areas for mtb’s in general. That makes me happy too. Don’t get your panties in a bunch now. Just stick your head back in the bush and accept the changes.


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Robert C. Big Ring Offline Leaves are the ultimate trail maintenance tool Posts: 1806 Location: Available upon request Joined: 11/22/04	Re: Here They Come... Reply #12 - 09/04/19 at 1:16am	Print Post
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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #13 - 09/04/19 at 1:18am	Print Post
	808golden wrote on 09/03/19 at 10:27pm: Yep I read the article and it makes me happy. The act also opens up more areas for mtb’s in general. That makes me happy too. Don’t get your panties in a bunch now. Just stick your head back in the bush and accept the changes. Accept the changes.. Accept the changes? Yeah, and wait for the e dirt bikes. Because they're coming too. You just don't get it do you.. These folks will sell you, me and anything sacred in this country down the river in a heartbeat for a few votes and a 5 spot. Tell me, how many times have you contemplated riding your ebike at a national park or on any federally owned lands lately? Not enough trail at RRT or down at the Whitewater center for you? You really need the federal governments validation of your moped and no restrictions of any kind to make you feel whole? Non-motorized vehicles. Nothing has changed, except the definitions are becoming increasingly idiotic and fake. Pushed by special interest groups with no allegiance to anything other than making off with the loot. Geez.
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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #14 - 09/04/19 at 1:20am	Print Post
	Robert C. wrote on 09/04/19 at 1:16am: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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Robert C. Big Ring Offline Leaves are the ultimate trail maintenance tool Posts: 1806 Location: Available upon request Joined: 11/22/04	Re: Here They Come... Reply #15 - 09/04/19 at 1:53am	Print Post
	IntheBush wrote on 09/04/19 at 1:20am: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Even better. I am curious. For those local bike shops carrying ebikes, are you now hiring not just mechanics but electricians as well? Will local shops be able to service issues with the electrical system on bikes they sell or is a return to the manufacturer (i.e. Specialized) required?


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Zakaraia Hermes Coaster Bike Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 80 Joined: 04/07/17	Re: Here They Come... Reply #16 - 09/04/19 at 10:30am	Print Post
	Not really a big deal as there are very few National Park trails you can even ride a bike on in the grand scheme of things. Acadia is about it and those are greenways anyway.


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SirNotAppearing IB Room In The Loop Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 1216 Joined: 03/08/10	Re: Here They Come... Reply #17 - 09/04/19 at 3:22pm	Print Post
	Zakaraia Hermes wrote on 09/04/19 at 10:30am: Not really a big deal as there are very few National Park trails you can even ride a bike on in the grand scheme of things. Acadia is about it and those are greenways anyway. Pisgah? Uwharrie? I started very anti-ebike. But I've seen a couple previously strong riders struggle with illness or injury. And if it takes an e-bike allow them to ride again, then I'm glad the option is there. Still annoyed by regular joes using them as a shortcut, but that's my problem I guess.


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SirNotAppearing IB Room In The Loop Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 1216 Joined: 03/08/10	Re: Here They Come... Reply #18 - 09/04/19 at 3:24pm	Print Post
	Oh wait. The rule is for national parks only, and doesn't affect national forests?


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Banjopickin Big Ring Offline Spinnin' knees & Hittin' trees since '85 Posts: 1805 Location: Pisgah National Forest, USA Joined: 08/01/11	Re: Here They Come... Reply #19 - 09/04/19 at 6:50pm	Print Post
	SirNotAppearing wrote on 09/04/19 at 3:24pm: Oh wait. The rule is for national parks only, and doesn't affect national forests? Correct... This is just a bunch of smoke and mirrors stuff that is misleading alot of folks. The rule states eBikes are now legal in National Parks ONLY where regular traditional pedal bikes are already legal. Which is basically nowhere... Almost no National Park allows bicycles in the front country, let alone the back country. and... They are regulated to Class 3 so those with a mild pedal assist. Basically this affects almost nothing and pretty much no one. National Forests (Pisgah, URE, etc.) fall under the Dept of Agriculture (not Dept of Interior like Parks) and they, so far, have not allowed eBikes on National Forest land.
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	Advocat wrote on 08/22/13 at 5:16pm: ...packin some Chub in the back of the pick-up. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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Metalmok Coaster Bike Offline I would rather ride than work Posts: 112 Location: Mint Hill, NC Joined: 02/22/10	Re: Here They Come... Reply #20 - 09/04/19 at 7:15pm	Print Post
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	Please consider the environment before you... ...play your Bluetooth speaker in the woods.
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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #21 - 09/04/19 at 11:35pm	Print Post
	I've seen a number of e-bikes being ridden around on local area trails. And at a pace that's a good bit faster than the same rider on a conventional bike. I've yet to see one being ridden by a guy that appeared to have a physical limitation. Yet.

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Robert C. Big Ring Offline Leaves are the ultimate trail maintenance tool Posts: 1806 Location: Available upon request Joined: 11/22/04	Re: Here They Come... Reply #22 - 09/05/19 at 3:15am	Print Post
	Impaler 58 wrote on 09/04/19 at 5:07pm: The only thing that you would have to work on that has to do with electric, is the battery Because the motor is propelled by unicorn farts?


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zino Coaster Bike Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 61 Location: Lexington, NC Joined: 03/31/14	Re: Here They Come... Reply #23 - 09/05/19 at 11:02am	Print Post
	The trend will probably get wings in a couple years...and we all will have them. Amazing how these things go, humans are such social proof natured. And of course nobody in their competitive ages can tolerate being left behind.
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sCvHeaVens Small Cog Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 447 Location: Charlotte, NC Joined: 02/12/15	Re: Here They Come... Reply #24 - 09/05/19 at 12:40pm	Print Post
	IntheBush wrote on 09/04/19 at 11:35pm: I've seen a number of e-bikes being ridden around on local area trails. And at a pace that's a good bit faster than the same rider on a conventional bike. I've yet to see one being ridden by a guy that appeared to have a physical limitation. Yet. I'm also curious, I believe 808 is one of the few that is disabled? I have also yet to see ebikes being ridden by physically disabled or older riders. It's almost always moto guys.


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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #25 - 09/05/19 at 1:20pm	Print Post
	sCvHeaVens wrote on 09/05/19 at 12:40pm: I'm also curious, I believe 808 is one of the few that is disabled? I have also yet to see ebikes being ridden by physically disabled or older riders. It's almost always moto guys. I have absolutely no problem with 808 riding his scooter, safely.. I'm not the fastest rider on the trail. I pass sometimes, sometimes I get passed. Even by pro girls on race bikes.. I don't get all butt hurt about it. I ride at a safe speed depending on the conditions, the visibility and the trail. I'm out there for fitness. Not foolish enough to think I'm going to set any world records. I've had plenty of close calls while riding, but I've never been hurt and don't have any hardware in my body if you know what I mean. Knock on wood. I've seen a lot of things on trails in my many miles. I've seen broken arms, guys laying in heaps in the middle of the trail with concussions, etc.. In a one week period out at Springs, there was a broken leg and separated shoulder due to collisions. Nothing fun about seeing that. I've also seen overly competitive types whose ego just couldn't handle it if they weren't the fastest guy on the trail. In my opinion and since some appear to lack good judgment on mixed use and sometimes bi-directional trails, anything that increases the speed of such knuckleheads is potentially a can of worms waiting to happen. Not just for them. But for other trail users as well. Motors on 40lb. bikes, on tight trails with limited visibility? That's a bridge too far in my opinion. I don't like learning lessons the hard way. Mountain biking is dangerous enough already. It's strenuous and supposed to be for a reason. It keeps the pretenders and those that lack the fitness to control the bike on the porch, or their speed limited by their ability to pedal the bike the old fashioned way. Clearly, that doesn't apply to every trail and every situation. And e-bikes certainly make great commuters, etc. Now, I know saying all that isn't going to make some people happy. But that's just the truth.
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ToddM Newbie Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 6 Joined: 08/08/18	Re: Here They Come... Reply #26 - 09/05/19 at 2:05pm	Print Post
	IntheBush wrote on 09/05/19 at 1:20pm: But that's just the truth. That's your truth though. We all have different opinions and we all honestly enjoy a good argument. In the spirit of argument I believe it's likely that most people that truly hate the idea probably haven't ridden one. Doesn't the trail layout really dictate the speed one can achieve? I can get behind the argument that increasing the speed people are able to climb could cause some accidents on bi-directional trails but at the same time I really think this stuff is overblown. We are living in a very bubble wrapped society these days. I see allowing e-bikes as a step in the right direction to allow those that are seeking enjoyment in the great out doors more options. Can we maybe agree that some of the arguments against them come off as a little elitist? I cringe when I see the "I xyz on my normal bike, therefore others should as well". How about we take step back and look at things from others perspective? This is a huge problem we have in politics and most walks of life these days. Access = growing the sport and building a larger community. How is that bad? I don't own an ebike and the cost alone will be a hurdle for me but I'd love to have that option in the garage for days where I want to see more of the trail or need to recover, etc. I ride for fun and they look like a blast. I'd really love one up in Pisgah because those climbs can be brutal even when I've been training pretty regularly but I know that's probably fairly far off until they break into the nation forests. Finally, Can someone tell me which local trails are e-bike approved? I know Lake Norman State Park and USNWC allow them. Any others? I've only ever came across an e-biker on the trail once and that was at Fisher Farm. He was going no faster than any of the other riders and the only way I could tell he was on an ebike was due to the large battery compartment and overhearing his friends playfully nagging him about how he should be blowing them away.


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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #27 - 09/05/19 at 2:08pm	Print Post
	ToddM wrote on 09/05/19 at 2:05pm: Finally, Can someone tell me which local trails are e-bike approved? I know Lake Norman State Park and USNWC allow them. Any others? Rocky River trail up near Concord. You need to check it out. Privately owned and one of the best in the area. Completely directional and not much foot traffic. Well, let me just say.. If you've never test rode an ebike, you wont believe it.. I like to say, it's sort of like sawing your legs off and replacing them with the legs of Lance Armstrong in his prime. On a 40 lb. bike that's harder to control. Like I said, they can be ridden safely. So, can a Honda 250. But considering that's not the case currently with pedal only bikes, then I think its safe to assume that a certain percentage of riders will try to use them to their very high potential.. Just because it's fun. That means increased trails speeds and decreased reaction times. If it's got a motor, it's a different breed. I don't see any reason to change the rules, especially on bi-directional and poorly marked trails. It's already a butt puckering experience. And I just don't see many 70 year old tourists with cameras riding them around these parts.
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ToddM Newbie Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 6 Joined: 08/08/18	Re: Here They Come... Reply #28 - 09/05/19 at 3:23pm	Print Post
	IntheBush wrote on 09/05/19 at 2:08pm: If it's got a motor, it's a different breed. I don't see any reason to change the rules, especially on bi-directional and poorly marked trails. The motor does make things tricky because people love to bend the rules. There will definitely be those that tweak the bikes to go over the 20mph limit. I never actually had an opinion on them until I saw a super fit dude at USNWC riding one just through the common area. That sorta broke the mold of who I thought would be buying them. I always pictured a overweight rich kid that would likely lose interest fairly quickly anyways. Also, I assume USNWC is the most high use trail we have in our area. It would be interesting to know if they've seen any increase in accidents. I'd guess that they haven't but that's probably because e-bikes are just now really gaining momentum and aren't on the trails as much as they will be in the coming years. I guess I'd like to see us air on the side of acceptance and then wrangle it back in if there are problems. I've heard good things about Rocky River. I'll definitely put it on my short list to visit!


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Impaler 58 Big Ring Offline Posts: 2111 Location: Statesville Joined: 01/21/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #29 - 09/05/19 at 7:37pm	Print Post
	Hey Banjo, the Folks I know who have e-bikes. Ride mostly at Pisgah and Dupont. So they must not be highly regulated.


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sCvHeaVens Small Cog Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 447 Location: Charlotte, NC Joined: 02/12/15	Re: Here They Come... Reply #30 - 09/06/19 at 12:17pm	Print Post
	Impaler 58 wrote on 09/05/19 at 7:37pm: Hey Banjo, the Folks I know who have e-bikes. Ride mostly at Pisgah and Dupont. So they must not be highly regulated. No, your friends are just breaking the law/rules... see point 1 of why traditional mountain bikers fear more and more use of ebikes (them breaking rules and getting all bikers kicked out).


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808golden Little Ring Offline More beer, please! Posts: 583 Location: LKNM Joined: 08/20/08	Re: Here They Come... Reply #31 - 09/06/19 at 10:21pm	Print Post
	Silly rules. Ride in a responsible manner and enjoy. That’s what riding is all about.


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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #32 - 09/07/19 at 2:53am	Print Post
	808golden wrote on 09/06/19 at 10:21pm: Silly rules. Ride in a responsible manner and enjoy. That’s what riding is all about. Silly rules? Does that apply to 4-wheelers and dirt bikes too?

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808golden Little Ring Offline More beer, please! Posts: 583 Location: LKNM Joined: 08/20/08	Re: Here They Come... Reply #33 - 09/07/19 at 11:45am	Print Post
	You my good man, are humorless tool. I'm sure you're good for something...is Professional Troll a real thing?


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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #34 - 09/07/19 at 12:03pm	Print Post
	808golden wrote on 09/07/19 at 11:45am: You my good man, are humorless tool. I'm sure you're good for something...is Professional Troll a real thing? Let me guess.. The silly rules only apply to everybody else. Not you and your friends.

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808golden Little Ring Offline More beer, please! Posts: 583 Location: LKNM Joined: 08/20/08	Re: Here They Come... Reply #35 - 09/07/19 at 12:12pm	Print Post
	808golden wrote on 09/06/19 at 10:21pm: Silly rules. Ride in a responsible manner and enjoy. That’s what riding is all about. Refer to previous post plz. Oh, and get back under your bridge Sir Troll.


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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #36 - 09/07/19 at 12:45pm	Print Post
	So, listen up everybody.. According to 808golden.. 'Silly rules' are only for those that ride conventional pedal only bicycles. Not e-bikes and other motorized contraptions. Remember that next time you're on the road/trail.

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808golden Little Ring Offline More beer, please! Posts: 583 Location: LKNM Joined: 08/20/08	Re: Here They Come... Reply #37 - 09/08/19 at 3:15am	Print Post
	"So listen up everybody..." Herr ITBush is putting words in my (now Trumpie?) mouth. Why not quote the part about riding responsibly? Oh, that's because SOMEBODY can't handle change. I hate to say, it but one cure for being a bitter troll is to go out and have a really good time. Pedal bikes are waaay fun, and so are ebikes. Don't worry, you'll come around. "We all float down here..." Silly movie quotes...


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Impaler 58 Big Ring Offline Posts: 2111 Location: Statesville Joined: 01/21/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #38 - 09/08/19 at 9:34am	Print Post
	Robert C. wrote on 09/04/19 at 1:16am: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Also noted that the definition you provided, lists mopeds as having gasoline engine's.Car drivers state one of the reasons they don't like e,-cars, is the lack of power. Sure, maybe some e-bikes can get speeds up to 40mph. But your wasting energy, so most e-bike riders would rather use light pedal assist. Then to have to pedal a heavy bike after using all the power


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Impaler 58 Big Ring Offline Posts: 2111 Location: Statesville Joined: 01/21/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #39 - 09/08/19 at 9:54am	Print Post
	sCvHeaVens wrote on 09/06/19 at 12:17pm: No, your friends are just breaking the law/rules... see point 1 of why traditional mountain bikers fear more and more use of ebikes (them breaking rules and getting all bikers kicked out). We live in a society were it seems rules being broken are the rule. Just drive your car on the local highways. I don't even understand why the auto makers put turn signal lever's in cars. And signaling is a written traffic law. At club meetings and on forums, I've heard talk about access. But I never see any point their finger at their riding buddy for riding an e-bike. Isn't he ruining it all for you. So are regular cyclist's going to start booby trapping trails for e-bikes. Yet another user group to add to the fold.
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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #40 - 09/08/19 at 1:59pm	Print Post
	Impaler 58 wrote on 09/08/19 at 9:54am: Isn't he ruining it all for you. So are regular cyclist's going to start booby trapping trails for e-bikes. Yet another user group to add to the fold. This has got to be one of most outrageous things I've ever seen posted on this forum.. And I've seen a few. Cyclists have never been the ones that have booby trapped trails for other trail users. Besides, how would such a criminal distinguish between various trail users?

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Impaler 58 Big Ring Offline Posts: 2111 Location: Statesville Joined: 01/21/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #41 - 09/08/19 at 2:23pm	Print Post
	I don't know if this will work, but I think I saw it on an old get smart episode. But use a huge strong magnet. To erase the power of the battery.😝The only real reason that I would see a need for an e-bike, would be at Pisgah. Some of those uphills are really long and would take a while to walk up. And it would seem riding a heavy bike downhill would be a blast.


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Impaler 58 Big Ring Offline Posts: 2111 Location: Statesville Joined: 01/21/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #42 - 09/08/19 at 4:46pm	Print Post
	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) I think I'm gonna get me one of these here e-bikes, to ride the local and Western trails. I'm thinking it's a pretty good price compared to the e-bikes at the bike shop


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808golden Little Ring Offline More beer, please! Posts: 583 Location: LKNM Joined: 08/20/08	Re: Here They Come... Reply #43 - 09/10/19 at 10:56am	Print Post
	http//www.reviews.mtbr.com/understanding-e-bikes-in-downieville-and-the-lost-sierra
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808golden Little Ring Offline More beer, please! Posts: 583 Location: LKNM Joined: 08/20/08	Re: Here They Come... Reply #44 - 09/10/19 at 11:01am	Print Post
	meh, don't know how to copy links. Oh well


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Impaler 58 Big Ring Offline Posts: 2111 Location: Statesville Joined: 01/21/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #45 - 09/10/19 at 12:52pm	Print Post
	808golden wrote on 09/10/19 at 10:56am: http//www.reviews.mtbr.com/understanding-e-bikes-in-downieville-and-the-lost-sierra In more than 300 miles of riding a wide range of trails on Class 1 e-bikes in different conditions, we discovered that although an e-bike has a motor attached, it is still human-powered and requires physical effort, as it will not move without pedaling input. But more importantly, we discovered this new form of recreation is just as low impact as a traditional mountain bike and has the ability to create many more advocates for trails and the protection of public lands. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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808golden Little Ring Offline More beer, please! Posts: 583 Location: LKNM Joined: 08/20/08	Re: Here They Come... Reply #46 - 09/10/19 at 1:10pm	Print Post
	Annnnd thank you!


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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #47 - 09/11/19 at 12:54am	Print Post
	Not hard to see where this whole ebike thing is going.. Bigger batteries, faster bikes, and more crowded trails. Whether these vehicles are allowed or not is up to property owners and administrators.. The trails in this area are not the Sierra Nevada's. There is no one size fits all solution. You own the trail, you can do what you want. You don't? You have to consider the welfare of other trail users. Not just yourself. It's that simple. I don't have a problem as long as they follow the rules and don't poach trails. As someone pointed out above, some are doing neither now. I fully expect that to continue. Expect ramifications. Here's an excerpt from the comments section; Quote: ...while the ‘CURRENT’ ebikes are ‘pedal assist’ and ‘limited to 20mph’, FUTURE ebikes won’t be. No way bigger more powerful batteries won’t be put on these bikes once the battery technology allows for it. (And that’s a never ending progression of more and more powerful batteries). Do a youtube search for homemade e-bkes. You’ll find hundreds of examples of people doing over 60pmh. Do you think our park rangers have the free time to check to see which bikes have batteries, or what size battery? Of course not. After a couple of reports of people shooting down the train at 30-40mph, it’s all over. They will just ban all bikes. Of course there are a couple of other issues. First off, 20mph doesn’t sound all that fast. But that’s road bike speeds. Road bike speeds on our trails, and not just on the downhills anymore. Now people will be going those speeds on the flats and up the hills. Yeah, I can just image a family of four shooting down the trail at 20mph (or more). Brilliant. Then there is errosion. I’ve demo’d an e-bike. I was railing berms gloing UP a hill. Yeah, there will be more wear and tear on the trails, especially once the bigger batteries show up. Finally, and almost as scary, is this notion that e-bikes are opening up new trails to users that otherwise weren’t able to access them (due to age or low fitness). I sure as hell hope the American’s with Disabilites crowd doesn’t read this article. That kind of talk will get them think ALL our trails need to be ADA accessbile. You know, to be fair.... Finally, as an avid rider. I’m glad ‘not everyone’ can get to every square inch of trail. I like, at least some, of my riding to be alone out in the great outdoors. I don’t need every ride to be so full of other bikers that it’s akin to searching for a parking space at the mall at Christmas…

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sCvHeaVens Small Cog Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 447 Location: Charlotte, NC Joined: 02/12/15	Re: Here They Come... Reply #48 - 09/11/19 at 6:04pm	Print Post
	Impaler 58 wrote on 09/10/19 at 12:52pm: In more than 300 miles of riding a wide range of trails on Class 1 e-bikes in different conditions, we discovered that although an e-bike has a motor attached, it is still human-powered and requires physical effort, as it will not move without pedaling input. But more importantly, we discovered this new form of recreation is just as low impact as a traditional mountain bike and has the ability to create many more advocates for trails and the protection of public lands. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) I could care less about the study; ebikers saying, "forget the rules as long as I'm riding safely I can do whatever I want" stand a great chance of getting regular MTB access cut, kinda like littering - you think if MTBers constantly littered on the trail they would continue to let them have access? As far as the dirt bike logic, I agree with bush. They can just as easily say "well i'm riding at a responsible speed and being careful so I can break the rules". I'm so sick of all the ebike excuses, just ride your ebike where you are allowed and follow the rules and majority of people could care less.


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Banjopickin Big Ring Offline Spinnin' knees & Hittin' trees since '85 Posts: 1805 Location: Pisgah National Forest, USA Joined: 08/01/11	Re: Here They Come... Reply #49 - 09/11/19 at 7:17pm	Print Post
	sCvHeaVens wrote on 09/11/19 at 6:04pm: ...[the] majority of people could care less. Nothing more true has ever been said about eBikes. Ya'll are making mountains out of mole hills.

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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #50 - 09/12/19 at 5:13am	Print Post
	Banjopickin wrote on 09/11/19 at 7:17pm: Nothing more true has ever been said about eBikes. Ya'll are making mountains out of mole hills. . (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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Impaler 58 Big Ring Offline Posts: 2111 Location: Statesville Joined: 01/21/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #51 - 09/12/19 at 8:38am	Print Post
	10t added to the cassette so you can bomb down faster on the downhill and flats


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Robert C. Big Ring Offline Leaves are the ultimate trail maintenance tool Posts: 1806 Location: Available upon request Joined: 11/22/04	Re: Here They Come... Reply #52 - 09/13/19 at 6:00am	Print Post
	This entire site should be brought down. Just a bunch of old f*&^%s, that includes me, complaining
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BeardofshMe Coaster Bike Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 67 Joined: 09/25/13	Re: Here They Come... Reply #53 - 09/20/19 at 12:59am	Print Post
	https://youtu.be/VtaLfeQ-YO0


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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #54 - 09/20/19 at 1:35am	Print Post
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btalley Big Ring Offline aka "Lil Bill" or "Squatch" Posts: 1483 Location: Mooresville, NC Joined: 08/03/10	Re: Here They Come... Reply #55 - 09/20/19 at 2:08am	Print Post
	Leaf Blowing & E-Bikes will be the death of our sport

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drdirt55 Small Cog Offline Stupid should be painful Posts: 318 Location: Mooresville Joined: 12/18/11	Re: Here They Come... Reply #56 - 09/20/19 at 1:57pm	Print Post
	I do so love the fall discussions....maybe the E-bike powered blowers are the answer.

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Slothzilla Small Cog Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 391 Location: Charlotte, NC Joined: 06/28/11	Re: Here They Come... Reply #57 - 09/20/19 at 1:59pm	Print Post
	btalley wrote on 09/20/19 at 2:08am: Leaf Blowing & E-Bikes will be the death of our sport Did someone say leaf blowing e-bikes?


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Tom F In The Loop Offline I'm ready. Get the bike. Posts: 2028 Location: Can-of-pooless, NC Joined: 08/06/10	Re: Here They Come... Reply #58 - 09/20/19 at 2:16pm	Print Post
	btalley wrote on 09/20/19 at 2:08am: Leaf Blowing & E-Bikes will be the death of our sport Heeeeeee's baaaaaaaak!

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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #59 - 09/21/19 at 1:16am	Print Post
	Slothzilla wrote on 09/20/19 at 1:59pm: Did someone say leaf blowing e-bikes? That's a great idea. How about this new technology.. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Geez... The way things appear to be going, I guess this was sort of predictable.. Quote: "Hey, Grandpa.. What'd y'all do in the old days.. Haha ha" "Didn't need no motor and we made sure we didn't land on our heads, young feller."
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JustinCeez Coaster Bike Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 122 Location: charlotte Joined: 08/18/14	Re: Here They Come... Reply #60 - 09/24/19 at 9:11pm	Print Post
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Robert C. Big Ring Offline Leaves are the ultimate trail maintenance tool Posts: 1806 Location: Available upon request Joined: 11/22/04	Re: Here They Come... Reply #61 - 09/26/19 at 2:33am	Print Post
	JustinCeez wrote on 09/24/19 at 9:11pm: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) In summary, the trail organizations cited in the article do not have a view / position.


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JustinCeez Coaster Bike Offline Work Ride Tarheel Trailblazers Posts: 122 Location: charlotte Joined: 08/18/14	Re: Here They Come... Reply #62 - 09/26/19 at 1:07pm	Print Post
	Robert C. wrote on 09/26/19 at 2:33am: In summary, the trail organizations cited in the article do not have a view / position. True......just thought it was worth a share on this topic.


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Robert C. Big Ring Offline Leaves are the ultimate trail maintenance tool Posts: 1806 Location: Available upon request Joined: 11/22/04	Re: Here They Come... Reply #63 - 09/27/19 at 3:21am	Print Post
	JustinCeez wrote on 09/26/19 at 1:07pm: True......just thought it was worth a share on this topic. Absolutely. Good read, thanks for sharing.


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Advocat In The Loop Project Board Offline Posts: 3845 Joined: 08/11/04	Re: Here They Come... Reply #64 - 11/12/19 at 8:34pm	Print Post
	Robert C. wrote on 09/26/19 at 2:33am: In summary, the trail organizations cited in the article do not have a view / position. I'd suggest that Dave stated IMBA's position quite clearly: We’re supportive of class 1 eMTB access as long as traditional MTB access isn’t threatened. The second part of that is we don’t want to see class 1 eMTBs and mountain bikes become one and the same and there is a movement that wants to see that happen. We feel like that has the potential to be dangerous to traditional mountain bike access, and that’s not the best for growing eMTB access, if they’re combined. Also, EMBA has a somewhat similar opinion (if not an official policy): We haven’t created a public position statement.... But we’ve taken a very active advisory role: being part of the legislation process and recommending class 1 access only; only where it makes sense; and only if it does not affect the quality trail experience for other users on multi-use trails, and to plan from a baseline of “closed unless signed open."
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Doc00t IB Room In The Loop Project Board Offline When in DOUBT, PEDAL it OUT Posts: 1785 Location: University Joined: 05/09/12	Re: Here They Come... Reply #65 - 03/08/20 at 1:17am	Print Post
	Well I started this thread awhile ago, let's toss on some lighter fluid...this is good (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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TrillWill IB Room In The Loop Project Board Offline THTB Board member 16'-23' LKN TC Posts: 1027 Location: Cornelius Joined: 06/14/11	Re: Here They Come... Reply #66 - 03/08/20 at 2:34am	Print Post
	Doc00t wrote on 03/08/20 at 1:17am: Well I started this thread awhile ago, let's toss on some lighter fluid...this is good (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Interesting article. To me the most interesting part is folks in France cited that crash as a reason in cracking down on Ebike modifications (a person riding a modified ebike crashed into a pedestrian killing her). People driving cars kill pedestrians all the time yet we don't crack down on driver speeds. That kills me... Carry on!

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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #67 - 03/08/20 at 2:17pm	Print Post
	Quote: However, that leaves a big question mark: whether France is taking the right measures to approach this delicate topic. A ban might have a strong impact in the short term, but it doesn’t solve the actual root of the problem. Despite the need for alternative urban means of transportation, bikes are at a disadvantage compared to cars. So the problem is one of speed inequity.. And older, less fit riders are at a disadvantage compared to younger, more fit riders. Somehow I knew this was the case.

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btalley Big Ring Offline aka "Lil Bill" or "Squatch" Posts: 1483 Location: Mooresville, NC Joined: 08/03/10	Re: Here They Come... Reply #68 - 03/09/20 at 4:52pm	Print Post
	Bush you need to grow a set and stop hating on everything that is different than your opinion. You are acting like a triggered child that is battling with gender identity. It's well know I hate 29ers but at least I'm not a DB about it. I even own a wagon wheeled steed now. Perhaps you embrace you hate for ebikes and buy one. Maybe you will finally be able to reach 20 mph.

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IntheBush Big Ring Offline Posts: 2031 Location: South of the border Joined: 10/30/09	Re: Here They Come... Reply #69 - 03/10/20 at 3:29pm	Print Post
	No thanks talley.. Don't need it. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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808golden Little Ring Offline More beer, please! Posts: 583 Location: LKNM Joined: 08/20/08	Re: Here They Come... Reply #70 - 03/10/20 at 9:39pm	Print Post
	Right on ITBush! Looks like the operation was a success!


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808golden Little Ring Offline More beer, please! Posts: 583 Location: LKNM Joined: 08/20/08	Re: Here They Come... Reply #71 - 03/15/20 at 10:35pm	Print Post
	So I guess this would be a little much on the legal emtb trails? JK of course IMG_7285.jpeg


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